Did I solve this equation 4*ln(3x)=15 or is it incomplete?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 4*ln(3x)=15. Participants are exploring the steps involved in manipulating logarithmic expressions and solving for the variable x.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the validity of stopping at the expression e^15=3x^4 and whether it constitutes a complete solution. There are questions about the correct application of logarithmic rules and the interpretation of the equation.

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Several participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's approach and have suggested alternative methods for solving the equation. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and steps to reach a solution.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the completeness of their solutions and the implications of the steps taken. The discussion includes references to homework constraints and the need for clarity in solving for x.

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Homework Statement
I have this problem that seems to be too easy to be true. I don’t know if i am done and would like to move on to the next problem.
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4Ln3x=15
I stopped where it says e^15=3x^4 it seems complete but i am not sure.
 

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Witcher said:
Homework Statement:: I have this problem that seems to be too easy to be true. I don’t know if i am done and would like to move on to the next problem.
Homework Equations:: 4Ln3x=15

I stopped where it says e^15=3x^4 it seems complete but i am not sure.
Seems like an odd place to stop. Aren't you trying to solve for x?
 
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Witcher said:
Homework Statement:: I have this problem that seems to be too easy to be true. I don’t know if i am done and would like to move on to the next problem.
Homework Equations:: 4Ln3x=15

I stopped where it says e^15=3x^4 it seems complete but i am not sure.
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In addition to what @OmCheeto said, you have made an error in applying the rule:

##m \cdot \ln(A) =\ln(A^m)##​

Rather than ## \ln(3x^4) ##, you should have ## \ln((3x)^4) ##.
 
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OmCheeto said:
Seems like an odd place to stop. Aren't you trying to solve for x?
Yea just solving for x but it’s X^4. I may have a few more things in mind that may work.
 
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As already noted, your second line is wrong. Instead of ##\ln 3x^4 = 15##, you should have what @SammyS wrote in his post.

A different approach would be to divide both sides by 4 as your first step, to get ##\ln (3x) = \frac {15} 4##. From there it's only two steps to get the solution.
 
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Are you not clear on what "solve an equation" means?

To solve an equation in x means to find the value or values of x that satisfy the equation. No, writing [itex]3x^4= e^{15}[/itex] has NOT solved the equation (and what you have done is incorrect). You must have an equation of the form "x= something".

Starting from [itex]4ln(3x)= 15[/itex], divide both sides by 4 to get ##\ln(3x)= \frac{15}{4}##. Then take take the exponential of both sides ##3x= e^{\frac{15}{4}}##. Last, divide both sides by 3: ##x= \frac{1}{3}e^{\frac{15}{4}}##.

Another way to approach this problem, and more like what you probably did, is, instead of dividing both sides of the equation, take the "4" inside the logarithm: [tex]ln((3x)^4)= 15[/tex]. Notice that it is both "3" and "x" that are to the 4th power. This is NOT "[itex]3x^4[/itex]" it is [itex](3x)^4= 81x^4[/itex]. So [itex]ln(81x^4)= 15[/itex] and taking the exponential of both sides [itex]81x^4= e^{15}[/itex]. [itex]x^4= \frac{e^{15}}{81}[/itex] and then take the fourth root of both sides: [itex]x= \frac{(e^{15})^{1/4}}{\sqrt[4]{81}}= \frac{e^{15/4}}{3}[/itex] as before.
 
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My crude but practical steps are show here but in pure text.

ln(3x)=15/4

e^(15/4)=3x

x=(e^(15/4))/3
 
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With the approaches above, you are sure covered. Maths& science is fun.
 

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