Didn't use correct high/low pass filter setting day wasted?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of incorrect high-pass and low-pass filter settings on the measurements obtained from a hydrophone used to detect frequency signals in water. Participants explore the implications of these settings on peak-to-peak voltage readings and the nature of the signals being analyzed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that leaving the filter settings at 250 kHz (high pass) and 1 MHz (low pass) while analyzing frequencies below 250 kHz may influence the results.
  • Another participant suggests that the filter will affect the measured peak-to-peak voltage (Vpp) and inquires about the order of the high-pass filter and the nature of the signal being measured.
  • A participant shares their experience of obtaining different results when the filter was applied, indicating that the environment (cavitational with bubbles) may contribute to signal attenuation.
  • There is a suggestion that if the signal is not a known monotonic signal and contains multiple frequencies, the filter effect cannot be compensated for and must be set correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the incorrect filter settings will affect the measurements, but there is no consensus on how to compensate for this effect, particularly in the context of non-monotonic signals.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for knowledge about the order of the high-pass filter and the characteristics of the signal to assess the impact of the filter accurately. The discussion highlights the complexities of measuring signals in a cavitational environment.

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Hi, I'm using a hydrophone to detect frequency signals (or more precisely pressure) in water. It involves using a hydrophone to detect the peak to peak voltage of the sinusoidal signal. BUT I forgot to change the high pass - low pass settings!

It was left to detect between 250kHz (high pass) and 1MHz (low pass), and I have been analysing frequencies at below 250 kHz.

I have been using the detected peak to peak voltage value of the sin wave, not measuring it's frequency. I got readings that made sense, but now I'm worried that the filter being applied incorrectly will influence results.

Any ideas? will a high - low pass filter effect the detected peak to peak values?

Thanks for any advise!
 
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rwooduk said:
Hi, I'm using a hydrophone to detect frequency signals (or more precisely pressure) in water. It involves using a hydrophone to detect the peak to peak voltage of the sinusoidal signal. BUT I forgot to change the high pass - low pass settings!

It was left to detect between 250kHz (high pass) and 1MHz (low pass), and I have been analysing frequencies at below 250 kHz.

I have been using the detected peak to peak voltage value of the sin wave, not measuring it's frequency. I got readings that made sense, but now I'm worried that the filter being applied incorrectly will influence results.

Any ideas? will a high - low pass filter effect the detected peak to peak values?

Thanks for any advise!
Yes, it will affect the Vpp that you measure. What order is the 250kHz HPF? Even though you were not measuring the sound frequency, do you know what it was? Is it pretty monotonic and stable, or can it vary?

If you know the order of your HPF and the break frequency, and the frequency of a monotonic signal source below 250kHz, you can factor in the attenuation of the HPF to convert your partially-attenuated. Vpp measurement to the actual Vpp number.
 
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Hi, many thanks for the reply! Yes I did a quick test with the filter applied and got completely different results. Day wasted, I'll have to do them all again tomorrow, isn't research awesome!

When the signal was outside of the filter, it was mostly noise, but I was able to pick up a sin wave in some instances. But its a cavitational environment (bubbles flying throughout the liquid) so attenuation of the sound wave does occur, which would explain the occational pick up of a readable signal.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it some thought, but looks like I'll just do the set again tomorrow.
 
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but looks like I'll just do the set again tomorrow.
Agreed. If it's not a known monotonic signal and is composed of a lot of frequencies, the filter effect can't be compensated for and it needs to be set right. Good luck! :smile:
 
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