Difference Between Plasma and Radiation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between plasma and radiation, particularly in the context of their effects on satellites. Participants explore definitions, characteristics, and implications of both phenomena, along with specific examples like the Van Allen radiation belts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define plasma as consisting of electrically charged particles, while radiation is described as electromagnetic photons.
  • One participant notes that energetic electromagnetic radiation can generate plasmas in Earth's atmosphere.
  • There is a question about whether the term radiation is limited to its effects on satellites, as radiation can also refer to charged particles.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the Van Allen radiation belts, questioning how they can be considered radiation when they are described as constituents of plasma.
  • A participant elaborates that plasma is an ionized gas with electrons separated from nuclei, and discusses the energy levels associated with ionization and radiation.
  • One participant explains that plasma exhibits collective behavior, such as Debye shielding, which can affect spacecraft, while radiation does not have such collective properties.
  • It is mentioned that plasmas can cause damage to spacecraft due to their collective behavior and interactions with electrical fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of plasma and radiation, particularly regarding the Van Allen radiation belts and the nature of radiation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions and assumptions about plasma and radiation may vary among participants, and there are unresolved questions about the classification of the Van Allen radiation belts.

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Hi all

In general sometimes we talk about plasma effects on satellites and radiation effects on satellites. Can someone tell the difference between the two?

Thanks and Best Regards
Hamza
 
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Plasma consists of electrically charged particles, whereas radiation is EM photons. Plasmas are more destructive. Energetic EM radiation can, however, generate plasmas in Earth's atmosphere.
 
I'm assuming that the term radiation is used in this way only for talking about the two effects on satellites? As radiation can also be charged particles.
 
Yes normally when we look at the two effects we talk about plasma and radiation.
But another thing I don't understand is Van Allan Radiation Belt. The name says its a radiation belt but it is a constituent of plasma. And then there is another plasma sheet which trails at the dark side of the Earth in outerspace.
 
A plasma is simply an ionized gas in which electrons are separated from nuclei or ions. The energies required to ionize atoms is on the order of eV. Some plasmas, particularly fusion plasmas would have temperatures in the keV range, which is low energy for radiation. Radiation would encompass ions, electrons and photons, over a broad range of energies.

High energy radiation has energy in the high keV to MeV range.

The Van Allen radiation belts are a collection of plasma or radiation that are thought to originate from the solar wind and cosmic radaition. It appears they are mostly protons and electrons, which are somewhat confined by the Earth's magnetic field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

http://rbsp.jhuapl.edu/science/overview.php
 
Hi good question. A plasma is a collective group of charged particles. It consists of both positive and negative particles and there has to be enough particles present in a volume so that they interact in a collective way.

So if a spaceship meets a plasma the plasma particles will move to shield the electrical field from the spaceship so that the field is zero inside the plasma. This is called Debye shielding.

Radiation can be single particles of either positive or negative charge and of course photons. There is no collective behaviour. You can get radiation from a plasma. In fact a little plasma radiation brightens up everybody on the beach.

Plasmas can cause damage by their collective behaviour. By trying to shield an electrical field they can charge up a spacecraft and cause particles from the plasma to strike the spacecraft at high speeds and damage the space craft.
 

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