Difference Between Resistance Force and Friction Coefficient?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between resistance force and friction coefficient, exploring their definitions, relationships, and implications in physics. Participants engage in clarifying concepts related to forces and coefficients, as well as the complexities involved in measuring the friction coefficient.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the friction force is measured in Newtons, while the friction coefficient is dimensionless.
  • One participant suggests that "resistance force" may refer to "frictional force," and describes the relationship between friction force and normal force using the equation $$F_{friction}=\mu N$$.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the friction coefficient is a ratio between two forces: normal and friction, highlighting the difference in their nature.
  • There is a discussion about the complexity of calculating the friction coefficient, with one participant stating it depends on various factors such as surface cleanliness, moisture, and temperature.
  • One participant mentions that while calculating the friction coefficient is not straightforward, measuring it is relatively simple.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that resistance of an object can include multiple effects beyond friction, such as form or pressure resistance and wave resistance, suggesting that resistance force encompasses more than just frictional resistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of resistance force and friction coefficient, but there are multiple competing views regarding the calculation and measurement of the friction coefficient, as well as the broader concept of resistance forces.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence of the friction coefficient on various environmental factors, and the assumption that the ratio of friction to normal force is constant, which may not hold in all situations.

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Hi
I have been wondering what is the difference between resistance force and friction coefficient. While doing research online I could not find a clear answer. Maybe someone here will now:bow:
 
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Well, the units for one. The friction force has units of Newtons, and the friction. Coefficient is dimensionless.
 
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I will assume that "resistance force" is another name for the more common "frictional force".
When two surfaces are ~smooth it is approximately true that the friction force is proportional to how strongly the surfaces are pushed together (this is the Normal force). And so we write that $$F_{friction}=\mu N$$
 
tymi9 said:
Hi
I have been wondering what is the difference between resistance force and friction coefficient. While doing research online I could not find a clear answer. Maybe someone here will now:bow:
One is a force, the other is a ratio between two forces: normal and friction.
 
Oh ok now I get it. thanks

However, is there a way to calculate the friction coefficient?
 
Not in a simple way. You should well know that it depends upon a lot of different things (like cleanliness of surfaces, moisture, temperature, etc). I think you can look up measured values for various combinations of surfaces. And the supposition that the ratio is constant is does not always hold. It is overemphasized in introductory physics because the problems are easy to formulate !
 
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tymi9 said:
Oh ok now I get it. thanks

However, is there a way to calculate the friction coefficient?
It is not simple to calculate, but it is rather straightforward to measure.
 
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Let's just put here that resistance of an object can consist of multiple effects, friction is just one:
- Frictional resistance
- Form or pressure resistance (for not so aerodynamically shaped objects also called bluff body resistance)
- Wave resistance (only applicable to floating objects like ships)

So if you say what is the difference between a resistance force and frictional resistance force (I'm assuming both as a force now), then the resistance force usually contains frictional resistance but may contain other types of resistance as well, and is therefore always at least as big as the frictional resistance.
 

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