Difference between scalars and vectors

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The discussion centers on the differences between scalars and vectors, particularly in the context of mathematical operations such as scalar multiplication and vector multiplication. Participants explore the definitions, applications, and implications of these concepts in both theoretical and practical scenarios.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines a scalar as a quantity with magnitude and a vector as a quantity with both magnitude and direction, seeking clarification on mathematical applications.
  • Another participant explains that scalar multiplication involves ordinary multiplication of scalars, while vector multiplication includes operations like the dot product and cross product, emphasizing the complexity of vector directions.
  • A participant questions whether the multiplication of two scalars (1*2) is scalar multiplication and whether the multiplication of two vectors (1,2)*(2,3) is vector multiplication, asking for clarification on the dot and cross products.
  • It is noted that the cross product is defined only for three-dimensional vectors, while the dot product corresponds to the sum of the products of the components of the vectors.
  • One participant suggests distinguishing between "ordinary multiplication" of scalars, "scalar multiplication" (scaling a vector), and the "scalar product" (dot product of two vectors).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and definitions regarding scalar and vector multiplication. There is no consensus on the nuances of these concepts, and multiple interpretations of scalar and vector operations are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the definitions and applications of scalar and vector multiplication, indicating a need for clearer distinctions between terms and operations. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the specifics of vector operations.

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i know that a scalar quantity is something with magnitude and a vector is something with magnitude and direction but how do u apply that in maths. what's the difference between scalar multiplication and vector multiplication...?
if its not too hard could u dumb it down. am not all that smart.
please and thanku.
 
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Scalar Multiplication is just the multiplication of scalars, ordinary multiplication that you already know of =]. The ordinary numbers you already now are all scalars, they have a magnitude. They also have a direction, as we can see if we draw a number line. The positive numbers are in the right direction, and we denote the left direction with the negative numbers.

The direction of a general Vector can be must more complex than that, and can't just have a simple +/- sign to work it out. There are two main operations we call vector multiplication, the Dot product and the cross product. As we have just discussed, scalars are vectors with very simple directions. The dot product and cross product of two general vectors do not always have the same result, but when with scalars are always the same, and also equate to normal multiplication. This is why sometimes we use a dot to denote scalar multiplication instead of a cross.

The direction in a vector is very important when being applied in physical situations. For example, take the scalar quantity - speed. The speed of two separate objects may be both 10m/s. This isn't too much useful. However, the velocity of these two objects may be 10m/s North and 10m/s South , which gives us more information about what's going on.
 
so for 1*2 is scalar multiplication? and (1,2)*(2,3) is vector? well wat about dot product and cross product. for (1,2);(2,3) would u go 1*2,2*3 or 1*2+2*3
 
the "cross product" is only defined for 3 vectors, the dot product is the latter of what you put down.
 
One should try to distinguish
- "multiplication of scalars" (i.e. "ordinary" multiplication)
- the more-ambiguous "scalar multiplication", which may refer to the multiplication of a scalar and a vector (i.e. "scaling" a vector by changing its magnitude without changing its direction), and
- "scalar product ["dot product" of two vectors]".
 
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