Difference between Z notation and sigma

[Ry122]

Homework Statement

What is the difference between this statement being expressed in z-notation and the notation shown? What are the benefits of the two and how do you do the conversion?
Nevermind about answering the question itself.

if X ~N(mu,sigma) show that P(|X-mu|<= 0.675*sigma) = 0.5

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[LCKurtz]

Homework Statement

What is the difference between this statement being expressed in z-notation and the notation shown? What are the benefits of the two and how do you do the conversion?
Nevermind about answering the question itself.

if X ~N(mu,sigma) show that P(|X-mu|<= 0.675*sigma) = 0.5

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The Attempt at a Solution

The statement that$$
P(|X-\mu|\le .675\sigma)=.5$$is completely equivalent to$$
P\left(\frac{|X-\mu|}{\sigma}\le .675\right)=.5$$which is equivalent to$$
P\left(-.675\le \frac{X-\mu}{\sigma}\le .675\right)=.5$$Is that what you are asking?

 

[Ry122]

is that due to symmetry?

 

[LCKurtz]

is that due to symmetry?

No, it is just algebra. To get the second statement you just divide both sides of the inequality by the positive $\sigma$ and the last form just uses properties of absolute values, specifically that $|x|\le a$ is the same thing as $-a\le x \le a$.

 

[pasmith]

The only normal distribution whose cdf and inverse cdf you will find tabulated is N(0,1). If X \sim N(\mu, \sigma^2) then to use tables you have instead to work with Z = (X - \mu)/\sigma \sim N(0,1).

 

[Ry122]

what is function N()?

 

[Ray Vickson]

what is function N()?

It is exactly the same N( ) that you yourself wrote in post #1. It is actually not a function, but, rather, a name (short for "Normal" or "Normal distribution").

 

[WWGD]

No, it is just algebra. To get the second statement you just divide both sides of the inequality by the positive $\sigma$ and the last form just uses properties of absolute values, specifically that $|x|\le a$ is the same thing as $-a\le x \le a$.

True, but doesn't the symmetry in the algebra follow from the symmetry of the normal distribution?

 

[Ray Vickson]

True, but doesn't the symmetry in the algebra follows from the symmetry of the normal distribution?

No:. For a general density we have
P(|X-\mu| \leq a) = P(-a \leq X- \mu \leq a) = \int_{\mu-a}^{\mu+a} f(x) \, dx,
whether or not $f$ possesses any symmetry properties.

 

[vela]

I don't think so. There's absolutely no information about the normal distribution that goes into the algebraic manipulations LCKurtz showed above. The same algebra would have been used if X obeyed a completely different distribution.

 

[WWGD]

What I meant is that the original formula, in the OP is satisfied by the normal, i.e. $, P((|X- \mu|)/\sigma <0.675)$ reflects the symmetry of the normal. Obviously, $|x|< a \rightarrow -a<x<a$ follows straightforward from definition of absolute value. But I guess the OP was referring to the derivation $P(|x- \mu|/\sigma< 0.675 \rightarrow -0.675 \sigma < P(|x-\mu| )< 0.675 \sigma$, so my bad, I jumped in without reading carefully.

 

[HallsofIvy]

True, but doesn't the symmetry in the algebra follow from the symmetry of the normal distribution?

It follows from the "symmetry" in the absolute value.

 

[WWGD]

It follows from the "symmetry" in the absolute value.

Please check my last post, since I corrected myself. I was referring to something different.

 

[micromass]

$P(|x- \mu|/\sigma< 0.675 \rightarrow -0.675 \sigma < P(|x-\mu| )< 0.675 \sigma$

Why would that hold? What does $\mathbb{P}(|X-\mu)|)$ even mean?

 

[WWGD]

Why would that hold? What does $\mathbb{P}(|X-\mu)|)$ even mean?

$\mathb {P}(|x- \mu|)$ doesn't mean anything, what I wrote was $P(|x-\mu|<\sigma (.675))$ , which means $P( -0.675 \sigma < x- \mu < 0.675\sigma )$. Anyway, I jumped in without reading carefully and I wrote something that is pointless here.

All I was trying to say (replying to no one but my own head) was that , by symmetry of the normal, $P( x-\mu< \sigma) =P(x-\mu > -\sigma )$ , which is not true for all distributions.