Difference betwen space-like and time-like singularities

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of space-like and time-like singularities as described in the context of the Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these singularities within the framework of general relativity, questioning the terminology and its physical significance.

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  • Some participants reference the definitions of space-like and time-like singularities, noting that a space-like singularity involves matter being compressed to a point, while a time-like singularity relates to light rays originating from regions of infinite curvature.
  • One participant suggests that a space-like singularity can be thought of as a moment in time, whereas a time-like singularity resembles a location in space, raising questions about the physical meaning behind these terms.
  • Another participant questions the possibility of light rays escaping from a singularity, indicating a need for clarity on the implications of singularities in general relativity.
  • It is noted that the terms "spacelike" and "timelike" have specific technical meanings in relativity, which may not be immediately clear from their everyday usage.
  • Some participants argue that the breakdown of laws at a singularity means predictions about light escaping are uncertain, emphasizing the complexities involved in understanding singularities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physical significance of the terminology used for singularities, with some asserting that the terms have precise meanings while others question their implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of singularities and the escape of light rays.

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Participants highlight the need for a deeper understanding of the technical meanings of spacelike and timelike in the context of relativity, indicating that the discussion may depend on these definitions and the interpretations of singularities.

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See the Wikipedia article on Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose–Hawking_singularity_theorems.

It says that

A singularity in solutions of the Einstein field equations is one of two things:

1. a situation where matter is forced to be compressed to a point (a space-like singularity)

2. a situation where certain light rays come from a region with infinite curvature (a time-like singularity)


If matter is forced to be compressed to a point, why is this called a space-like singularity?

If certain light rays come from a region with infinite curvature, why is this called a time-like singularity?
 
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Heuristically, a spacelike singularity is like a moment of time, and a timelike singularity is like a place in space. So if matter is compressed to a point (a better term would be "energy density increasing without bound"), this happens at some moment of time, hence the singularity is spacelike. But if light rays are coming from somewhere with infinite curvature (a better term would be "spacetime curvature increasing without bound"), that somewhere is a place in space, hence the singularity is timelike.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Heuristically, a spacelike singularity is like a moment of time, and a timelike singularity is like a place in space.

Oh, so, is this simply a terminology with no physical meaning? Surely, there must be a reason why singularities that are like a moment in time are called spacelike, and singularities that are like a place in space are called timelike!

PeterDonis said:
But if light rays are coming from somewhere with infinite curvature (a better term would be "spacetime curvature increasing without bound")

How can it be possible for light rays to escape from a singularity?
 
Afonso Campos said:
Oh, so, is this simply a terminology with no physical meaning? Surely, there must be a reason why singularities that are like a moment in time are called spacelike, and singularities that are like a place in space are called timelike!

Perhaps you need first to understand what spacelike and timelike mean. These term have a specific technical meaning in relativity. The words in English may sound vague but here they have a precise meaning.

How can it be possible for light rays to escape from a singularity?

And why not? It simply means that the null curves, which are the world lines of the light, are past incomplete (and in PeterDonis' example there is a curvature blow up).
 
Afonso Campos said:
Oh, so, is this simply a terminology with no physical meaning?

Not at all. As martinbn said, "spacelike" and "timelike" have a very precise meaning in relativity. Any textbook will explain them.

Afonso Campos said:
How can it be possible for light rays to escape from a singularity?

Because this type of singularity is like a point in space, from which anything could come. Since the laws of GR break down at the singularity, we have no way of predicting what could or could not come out of it.
 

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