Different way of calculating power factor from multiple sources

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around different methods for calculating the power factor and apparent power in electrical engineering, particularly in the context of transformer outputs. Participants explore various formulas and approaches to streamline calculations, especially when dealing with multiple outputs.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their current method of calculating apparent power (S) using the formula S = sqrt((sum P)^2 + (sum Q)^2) and seeks a more efficient approach.
  • Another participant suggests a formula for calculating secondary apparent power from the transformer, providing specific values for active power (AP) and reactive power (RP) outputs.
  • A third participant proposes using the relationship S = RP / cos(ø) and discusses the calculation of angles using inverse cosine and tangent functions, questioning whether this method would be more efficient than the original approach.
  • Further discussion includes the potential for confusion in programming calculations, particularly when dealing with zero power factor conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple methods for calculating power factor and apparent power, with no consensus on which method is superior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most efficient calculation technique.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the symbols and terminology used in different regions, which may affect the clarity of their calculations. There are also concerns about the implications of zero power factor in calculations.

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Hi,

I did a lot of googling and tried to search every forum I could, but I didn't quite found what I was looking for. Sorry if this has been asked before, english isn't my first language so there's a chance that I used wrong words to search for this question.

Also I'm not sure if you use the same type of symbols that we use in Finland for electrical engineering. I will try to explain them if I can =)

Okay to the problem in hand. I am an electrical engineering student, I have studied for 2 years. We had many instances that we had to calculate power factors (symbol that I used is "cos(phi)" and apparent powers (symbol that I used is "S") that the main transformer "sees" in the secondary side.

Here is a picture that I hope clarifies the problem:
http://postimg.org/image/jozu0g543/

Then the question, I have always calculated all the different active- ("P") and reactive ("Q") powers and taken the square of their sums power to get the apparent power ("S"). Equation S = sqrt((sum P)^2 + (sum Q)^2).

And from that I have calculated the power factor. Is there a faster/smarter way of doing this? The way I have been using isn't a problem if you are using under 10 outputs but after that it is quite laborious!

Thanks for your input, and sorry for the long "question", also for my English!
 
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I know that you can calculate the secondary apparent power from the transformer by
S = sqrt((AP(op1) + AP(op2) + AP(op3) + AP(op4))^2 + (RP(op1) + RP(op2) + RP(op3) + RP(op4)^2),
which is about 12,064 MVA. op = output, AP = active power and RP = reactive power.

And from that you can calculate the power factor
cos(phi) = (AP(op1) + AP(op2) + AP(op3) + AP(op4)) / S, which is about 0,9201

But is there a better way to do this?
 
Your English is quite good.


For the loads, you're given all the RP(Real Powers) and all the power factors cos(ø) ?

for each load, is its ø = cos-1(cos(ø)),
...where cos(ø) was given;
and is S = RP / cos(ø) ?
and is AP = S X sin(ø) ?


so you could sum the real powers and the reactive powers , as you said,
and ø = tan-1(∑reactive/∑real)),,,

I can remember how to do it with my slide rule and a piece of paper, so it shouldn't be difficult with a calculator.
power factor = cos(tan-1(∑reactive/∑real) which looks awful but is only a few keystrokes...

But i don't know whether it would be fewer keystrokes than all those squares and square roots...

try it and see which you prefer.
 
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hmmm

S = RP/cos(ø)

and

AP = S X sin(ø)

so does AP = RP X sin(ø)/cos(ø)

or, AP = RP X tan(ø) ?
be careful about programming that into a calculator because it'll blow up at zero pf...
 

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