Differentiability and continuity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differentiability of the function f(x) = x²sin(1/x) at x = 0, and the continuity of its derivative f'. Participants are exploring how to demonstrate that f is differentiable at 0 while f' is discontinuous at that point.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest defining f(0) = 0 to analyze the function's behavior at that point.
  • There is a proposal to differentiate f(x) for x ≠ 0 using standard differentiation rules and to separately evaluate f'(0) using the definition of the derivative.
  • One participant mentions using the Pinching Theorem to show that the limit of hsin(1/h) as h approaches 0 is 0, which would imply f'(0) = 0.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the existence of f'(0), questioning how it can be both established as 0 and claimed not to exist.
  • A later reply challenges the assertion that f'(0) does not exist, stating that it actually does exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are divided on the existence of f'(0), with some asserting it exists and others suggesting it does not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the continuity of f' at 0.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and properties of the function f and its derivative, as well as the application of the Pinching Theorem in this context.

metalbec
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Hi. How do I show that f is differentiable, but f' is discontinuous at 0? I guess I'm just looking for a general idea to show discontinuity.
Thanks
 
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metalbec said:
How do I show that f is differentiable, but f' is discontinuous at 0?

First you will have to get clear about what f you have been given. If you are looking at some exercise, it must have given some definition f(x)=...
 
well. f(x)= x^2sin(1/x). I can define f(0) to be 0.
 
metalbec said:
well. f(x)= x^2sin(1/x). I can define f(0) to be 0.

The derivative becomes a function itself, [itex]f':\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}[/itex]. If you want to prove that it is not continuous, you should first solve its values [itex]f'(x)[/itex] for all x. In this case it is easiest to solve the derivative for [itex]x=0[/itex] and for [itex]x\neq 0[/itex] separately. For [itex]x\neq 0[/itex], you can solve [itex]f'(x)[/itex] by using the usual derivation rules. To solve [itex]f'(0)[/itex] it is best to use the definition of the derivative.
 
Would I use the Pinching Theorem to show that because the limit as h approaches 0 from both sides is 0, then the limit of hsin (1/h) is also 0?
 
metalbec said:
Would I use the Pinching Theorem to show that because the limit as h approaches 0 from both sides is 0, then the limit of hsin (1/h) is also 0?

yes! This is how you prove [itex]f'(0)=0[/itex].
 
Okay, I think I've done that. But I'm having a hard time grasping it. If I have already established that f'(0) does not exist, how did I just show that it is zero? Or does the fact that its limit is zero in itself show that it is discontinuous at 0?
 
metalbec said:
If I have already established that f'(0) does not exist

You have done a mistake here. f'(0) exists.
 

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