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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation X'' + βX = 0 with boundary conditions X(0) = 0 and X(l) = 0. The general solution involves complex exponentials, leading to the conclusion that σ = nπ/l, where n is a positive integer. This substitution transforms the solution into the form X_n = a_n sin(nπx/l). The relationship between the general solution and the sine function is established through the application of boundary conditions, ultimately resulting in an infinite series of sine functions as the complete solution. The thread emphasizes the connection between the general solution and the specific form derived from the boundary conditions.
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I understand what is in the picture http://postimg.org/image/u5ib33kzb/
but the book goes on to say that the solution is thus of the form
## X_n = a_n sin \frac{n \pi x}{l} ##
How does putting ##β=σ^2=\frac{n^2π^2}{l^2}## into (6.37) result in that?
 
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I apologize in advance if I am off base on this, I cannot access your link.

I will assume that you have a differential equation that looks like:
##x'' +\beta x = 0 ##
with boundary conditions:
##x(0)=x(l) = 0##
The general solution for the differential equation is
##x = A \sin( \sqrt{\beta} t ) + B \cos(\sqrt{\beta} t) ##
And the boundary condition at ##t=0## forces B to go to zero and the boundary condition at ##t = l ## forces ##\beta ## to be the form you have above.

Please include a little more information regarding the problem if you would like more feedback.
 
RUber said:
I apologize in advance if I am off base on this, I cannot access your link.

I will assume that you have a differential equation that looks like:
##x'' +\beta x = 0 ##
with boundary conditions:
##x(0)=x(l) = 0##
The general solution for the differential equation is
##x = A \sin( \sqrt{\beta} t ) + B \cos(\sqrt{\beta} t) ## (6.36)
And the boundary condition at ##t=0## forces B to go to zero and the boundary condition at ##t = l ## forces ##\beta ## to be the form you have above.

Please include a little more information regarding the problem if you would like more feedback.

thats right, the differential equation is (X is X(x), a function of x) :

##X'' + \beta X = 0##

Assuming a general solution of ##X(x) = A e^{ -\sqrt{-\beta}x} + B e^{+\sqrt{-\beta} x} ##, that ##\sqrt{-\beta}## is complex (ie. ##\beta =σ^2##) , and that the boundary conditions are ##X(0)=0## and ##X(l)=0##, they found that ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}##
What I want to know is how putting ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}## into the general solution results in ##X_n=a_n\sin\frac{n\pi x}{l}##
Or how their general solution is equivalent to yours?
 
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theone said:
thats right, the differential equation is (X is X(x), a function of x) :

##X'' + \beta X = 0##

Assuming a general solution of ##X(x) = A e^{ -\sqrt{-\beta}x} + B e^{+\sqrt{-\beta} x} ##, that ##\sqrt{-\beta}## is complex (ie. ##\beta =σ^2##) , and that the boundary conditions are ##X(0)=0## and ##X(l)=0##, they found that ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}##
What I want to know is how putting ##σ=\frac{n\pi}{l}## into the general solution results in ##X_n=a_n\sin\frac{n\pi x}{l}##
Or how their general solution is equivalent to yours?
Applying your first boundary condition tells you that A = -B, giving ## X(x) = A\left(e^{-i\sigma x}- e^{i\sigma x}\right)##
Noting what pasmith wrote above, this is equivalent to ## C \sin (\sigma x )##.
Then, since any sigma of the form given can be a solution, your full solution might be an infinite sum:
##X(x) =\sum_{n=1}^\infty X_n(x) = \sum_{n=1}^\infty a_n \sin(\sigma_n x ) ##
 
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