Differential equations problem, flow rates, constantly changing volume

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a differential equation related to flow rates and changing volumes in a vat containing beer with varying alcohol concentrations. The original poster describes a scenario where beer is pumped into a vat at a different rate than it is being pumped out, leading to a changing volume and concentration of alcohol over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the differential equation, questioning the use of a single variable for both inflow and outflow rates. There are attempts to clarify the assumptions regarding mixing and the implications of changing volume on the equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's setup, suggesting that the equation may need adjustments to accurately reflect the inflow and outflow rates. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these adjustments, with some participants sharing their own calculations and results.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of working with a problem where the volume is not constant, contrasting it with previous problems that had fixed volumes. There is also mention of using computational tools to verify results, indicating a lack of confidence in manual calculations.

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Homework Statement



Beer containing 6% alcohol per gallon is pumped into a vat that initially contains 350 gallons of beer at 3% alcohol. The rate at which the beer is pumped in is 3 gallons per minute, whereas the mixed liquid is pumped out at a rate of 4 gallons per minute. Find the number of gallons of alcohol A(t) in the tank at any time. What is the percentage of alcohol in the tank after 60 minutes?

Homework Equations



dA/dt = rate in - rate out

A is the number of gallons of alcohol in the tank

The Attempt at a Solution



dA/dt = rate in - rate out = 0.06r - (r*A)/(350-t)

I'm not sure about my setup because so far we've only worked with problems in which the volume doesn't constantly change, ie 250 gallons in the tank at all times with r(in) = r(out) = 3 gal/min rather than this problem where r(in) = 3 gal/min and r(out) = 4 gal/min and the volume of liquid in the tank decreases by 1 gal/min

I've worked the problem from the initial conditions:

A(0) = 10.5 gallons

to be:

A(t) = (21-t)*exp[-rln(350-t)] - 21*exp[-r-ln(350)] +10.5

but I'm seriously doubting what I've done so far because there's nowhere to check my answers, and my method seems to make this problem far more complicated then my professor ever makes his problems.
 
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As far as I can tell, you've set up the equation correctly. It was a little confusing the way you used the same r, but I'm pretty sure it is correct as long as you assume that the added beer mixes instantly in with the rest. If it doesn't mix with the rest then the equation would be:
\frac{dA}{dt}=.06r_{in}-.03r_{out} but that isn't much of a differential equation so I think that the first assumption is what they are looking for.

The problem I found is that I didn't get the same answer as you. I just used Mathematica (the cheating way) to solve it and didn't quite get the same answer.
 
iceera88 said:
dA/dt = rate in - rate out = 0.06r - (r*A)/(350-t)
I'm not sure about my setup because so far we've only worked with problems in which the volume doesn't constantly change, ie 250 gallons in the tank at all times with r(in) = r(out) = 3 gal/min rather than this problem where r(in) = 3 gal/min and r(out) = 4 gal/min and the volume of liquid in the tank decreases by 1 gal/min
Well you know what the rate at which beer is being poured and siphoned off, so why do you have to use r here? Also, r isn't the same for the inflow as well as outflow of beer so your DE isn't right to begin with.
 
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Yes, that's what I was saying about the r's. If he just uses r_{in} for the first r and r_{out} for the second r then the equation looks ok to me.
 
Thanks! I think I'll just plug in those values and make it easier, then. I think I just accidentally split it up as if r were the same throughout the problem when I tried to solve symbolically.
 
With the new setup as you've described, I got:

A(t) = 15.75-0.045t - C/exp[-4*ln(350-t)]
C = 3.50e-10
A(t) = 15.75-0.045t - (3.50e-10)/exp[-4*ln(350-t)]
A(60) = 3.65%

Does that sound about right?
 

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