[Differential Geometry] Matrix of Differential Equations in SO(3)

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The problem involves a smooth function \( A(s) \) that is antisymmetric and its relationship with the solution \( Q(s) \) of the differential equation \( \dot{Q}(s) = A(s)Q(s) \) with initial condition \( Q(0) = Q_0 \) in the context of the special orthogonal group \( SO(3) \).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of \( Q_0 \) being in \( SO(3) \) and discuss the behavior of \( \dot{Q}(s) \) and its potential to be zero. They also consider taking derivatives of \( Q^TQ \) to establish properties of \( Q(s) \) and question the validity of certain mathematical steps.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with participants examining the constancy of \( Q^TQ \) and its implications for \( Q \) being in \( SO(3) \). There is an ongoing exploration of the determinant of \( Q \) and its continuity, with some participants suggesting that the Intermediate Value Theorem may be relevant to show that \( \det(Q) \) cannot equal -1.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the properties of determinants and continuity in the context of the problem, as well as the assumptions regarding the smoothness of \( A(s) \) and the initial condition \( Q_0 \) being in \( SO(3) \).

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Homework Statement


Suppose that ##s \to A(s) \subset \mathbb{M}_{33}(\mathbb{R})## is smooth and that ##A(s)## is antisymmetric for all ##s##. If ##Q_0 \in SO(3)##, show that the unique solution (which you may assume exists) to
$$\dot{Q}(s) = A(s)Q(s), \quad Q(0) = Q_0$$
satisfies ##Q(s) \in SO(3)## for all ##s##.

Homework Equations


For ##Q \in \mathbb{M}_{33}(\mathbb{R})##, if:
  • ##Q^TQ = I, \quad Q \in O(3)##
  • additionally, if ##det(Q) = 1, \quad Q \in SO(3)##
  • Note: ##Q^TQ = QQ^T## for ##Q \in SO(3)##
For ##A \in \mathbb{M}_{33}(\mathbb{R})##,
  • ##A## is antisymmetric if ##A^T = -A##

The Attempt at a Solution


Since I only know that ##Q_0## is in ##SO(3)##, I suspect that ##\dot{Q}(s)## must be 0. In that case, since the derivative is zero, ##Q(s)## must be constant and ##Q(s)=Q_0## for all ##s##. So I try to prove that ##A(s)Q(s)## is zero.

Based on a hint someone gave me I'll start by taking the derivative of ##{Q_0}^TQ_0 = I##:
$$
({Q_0}^TQ_0)' = I' \\
\dot{Q_0}^TQ_0 + {Q_0}^T\dot{Q_0} = 0_{33} \\
{Q_0}^T\dot{Q_0} = - \dot{Q_0}^TQ_0 \\
Q_0{Q_0}^T\dot{Q_0} = - Q_0\dot{Q_0}^TQ_0 \\
Q_0{Q_0}^T\dot{Q_0} = - Q_0\dot{Q_0}^TQ_0 \\
\dot{Q_0} = - Q_0\dot{Q_0}^TQ_0 \\
$$
Now I plug in that expression for ##\dot{Q_0}## in the differential equation..
$$
- Q_0\dot{Q_0}^T Q_0 = A_0Q_0 = -{A_0}^T Q_0
$$
I'm not really sure what this gives me though. I'm also not confident that you can even use the product rule like that. It certainly isn't true for matrices in general.
Any help or pokes in the right direction are appreciated!

mef
 
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I made a mistake in my attempt:
Since ##Q_0## is constant, taking the derivative of ##Q_0## is just 0. Should perhaps take the derivative of ##A(s)Q(s)## instead
 
Alright let's take the derivative of ##Q^TQ##. If this ends up being zero, then ##Q^TQ## is constant and could be equal to the identity ##I_{33}##. This would prove one of the properties we want ##Q## to have to be in ##SO(3)##. We need to use ##\dot{Q} = AQ## and ##A^T=-A##

$$
(Q^TQ)' = \dot{Q^T}Q + Q^T\dot{Q} \\
\qquad = \dot{Q^T}Q + Q^TAQ \\
\qquad = (AQ)^TQ + Q^TAQ \\
\qquad = Q^TA^TQ + Q^TAQ \\
\qquad = -Q^TAQ + Q^TAQ \\
\qquad = 0\\
$$

So ##Q^TQ## is constant. Can we just say ##Q^TQ = I_{33}## which is constant?
 
Since ##Q^TQ## is constant ##\forall s##,
##Q^TQ = {Q_0}^T Q_0 = I_{33}## since ##Q_0## is in ##SO(3)##. Ok.

I now need to show that ##det(Q) = 1 \quad \forall s##, knowing that ##det(Q_0) = 1##
I know that ##det(Q^TQ) = det(I_{33}) = 1##

So using properties of determinants
##1 = det(Q^TQ) = det(Q^T)det(Q) = (det(Q)) ^2##

This gives me ##det(Q) = \pm 1## but how can I discard the -1 solution??
 
Okokok.

Since ##Q(s)## is differentiable, it must be continuous. ##det(Q)## must also be continuous.

Since ##det(Q_0) = 1##, if ##det(Q)## were ever -1, then by the Intermediate Value Theorem there should be an ##s## such that ##det(Q(s)) = 0 ## (or any other value between 1 and -1).

But since ##det(Q)## can only be either 1 or -1, ##det(Q)## can never be -1 without violating the IVT. So we must have that ##det(Q) = 1## for all ##s##.

That in combination with the other posts should prove that ##Q \in SO(3) \quad \forall s##.
##\square##
 
mef51 said:
Okokok.

Since ##Q(s)## is differentiable, it must be continuous. ##det(Q)## must also be continuous.

Since ##det(Q_0) = 1##, if ##det(Q)## were ever -1, then by the Intermediate Value Theorem there should be an ##s## such that ##det(Q(s)) = 0 ## (or any other value between 1 and -1).

But since ##det(Q)## can only be either 1 or -1, ##det(Q)## can never be -1 without violating the IVT. So we must have that ##det(Q) = 1## for all ##s##.

That in combination with the other posts should prove that ##Q \in SO(3) \quad \forall s##.
##\square##

Yes, I think you pretty much have it. Good job!
 

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