Differential of X [ dX = U/V dV + U/p dp ] Internal Energy?

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The discussion revolves around the differential expression dX = U/V dV + U/p dp, with a focus on its relation to internal energy in the context of thermodynamics. Participants are exploring whether this expression represents an exact differential and its implications for state variables, particularly for van der Waals gases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to express dX in terms of independent variables and are questioning the conditions under which it is an exact differential. Some are exploring the chain rule and partial derivatives related to internal energy.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the differential expression and internal energy, with some participants suggesting that further reading on exact and partial differentials may be necessary. Multiple interpretations regarding the status of internal energy as a state variable are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of exact differentials and their application in thermodynamic analyses, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect the discussion.

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Homework Statement



dX = U/V dV + U/p dp

  1. Write the differential of X in terms of the independent variables.
  2. Prove that this is an exact differential.
  3. Use the ideal gas equation of state to verify that X is actually the internal energy and that it satisfies the above equation. Would you expect the internal energy to be a state variable for the van der Waals gas?

Homework Equations


Internal Energy
dU = TdS - PdV

The Attempt at a Solution


dX = U/V dV + U/p dp ... I'm a bit too embarrassed to type anything that I've tried. I'm not really sure where to start.

dX = U / -V2 + U / -p2
= - U / V2 - U / p2

Partial Derivative Attempt

dX = U/V dV + U/p dp

dX = [ U / V dV ]p + [ U / p dp ]V

Any help to put me in the right direction would be much appreciated. Thanks
 
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If dX is going to be an exact differential, then a good place to start on this is to write down the chain rule expression for dX in terms of dP and dV. Then compare that equation with your starting differential equation.

Chet
 
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dU / dX = dU/dV dU/dp - Chain Rule expression for dX in terms of dP and dV?

M =(V,U) dV N= (U,p) dp

( ∂U / ∂V = dV ) + ( ∂U / ∂p dp ) = dX

X (V,p)
∴ X = U (Internal Energy)
 
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dU / dX = dU/dV dU/dp - Chain Rule expression for dX in terms of dP and dV?

M =(V,U) dV N= (U,p) dp

( ∂U / ∂V = dV ) + ( ∂U / ∂p dp ) = dX

X (V,p)
∴ X = U (Internal Energy)
What I had in mind was:
$$dX=\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial v}\right)_pdv+\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial p}\right)_vdp$$
and setting U = U(p,v), so, if the equation represents an exact differential, then
$$\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial v}\right)_p=\frac{U(p,v)}{v}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial p}\right)_v=\frac{U(p,v)}{p}$$

Chet
 
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Ok. Exact and partial differentials are still pretty new to me so I think I'll do a bit more reading and come back to this. Thank you for your reply!
 
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Ok. Exact and partial differentials are still pretty new to me so I think I'll do a bit more reading and come back to this. Thank you for your reply!
Yes. You need to be able to work with them to do many thermo analyses.

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Chestermiller said:
What I had in mind was:
$$dX=\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial v}\right)_pdv+\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial p}\right)_vdp$$
and setting U = U(p,v), so, if the equation represents an exact differential, then
$$\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial v}\right)_p=\frac{U(p,v)}{v}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial X}{\partial p}\right)_v=\frac{U(p,v)}{p}$$

Chet

Doesn't this mean that internal energy is not a state variable for the van der Waals gas?

van der Waals equation of state:

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Ideal Gas Equation of State:

pV = nRT
 
Internal energy is a state variable for all materials.

Chet
 

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