Differentiating thermodynamic coefficients

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The discussion focuses on the challenge of differentiating thermodynamic coefficients, specifically the isoterm compressibility coefficient and the isobar coefficient, while maintaining constant conditions. Participants express confusion over how to differentiate the volume change with respect to temperature and pressure simultaneously, given that these coefficients are defined under constant conditions. There is a critique of the conventional notation used in thermodynamics, which some find misleading and confusing for students. The importance of clearly defining equations for the coefficients is emphasized as a necessary step to understand the relationships involved. Ultimately, a better grasp of the functional dependencies of these coefficients is essential for solving the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


In oppgave 1 a) I am supposed to show that the given equality is true (namely that the isoterm compressibility coefficient partial-differentiated with regards to temperature = isobar coefficient differentiated with regards to pressure multiplied by minus one).

http://web.phys.ntnu.no/~stovneng/TFY4165_2014/oving2.pdf

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I can naturally see that the way to attack this problem is to simply carry out the differentiations, but how does it make sense to partially differentiate ##\alpha_V## with regards to ##p## when ##\alpha_V## assumes constant pressure? And besides, ##\alpha_V## measures the change of relative volume as a function of ##T##, yet constant temperature is assumed for ##\frac{\partial \alpha_V}{\partial p}##? It's a similar problem with the differentiating the isoterm coefficient with regards to temperature while keeping pressure constant..
 
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Not strong in Norwegian. alpha_v may be defined at constant pressure, that doesn't mean its value is independent of the pressure!
 
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Okay, but alpha_v is the change of relative volume with regards to temperature, yet ##\frac{\partial \alpha_V}{\partial p}## assumes constant temperature? How does it make sense to calculate how ##\alpha_V## (which is a measure of how the volume varies with regards to temperature) varies while the temperature is constant?
 
##\alpha_V## is a function of both temperature and pressure. Unfortunately, many, if not most, texts on thermodynamics do a very bad job at explaining functional dependencies among all the things they operate with. The unconventional notation ##\left({\partial X \over \partial Y}\right)_{Z}## is my personal anti-favorite, because in my experience very few students understand what it really signifies. Just for the record, it means that ##X## is considered to be a function of ##Y## and ##Z##, and is differentiated with respect to ##Y##. The usually added bit that ##Z## is held constant is redundant because that follows from the definition of partial differentiation. I suspect it is not only redundant, but is severely confusing, because the obvious redundancy makes the inexperienced reader wonder what really is going on.
 
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Please write down your defining equations for αV and κT. Once you get a look at these, you will see immediately how to prove what you are trying to prove.
 
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