Differentiation with respect to a complex expression

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The discussion centers around the differentiation of a complex expression involving a substitution of variables. The original poster attempts to express the equation \(x^2 + 16\) in terms of the variable transformation \(t = \frac{x}{x-1}\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various forms of expressing the function, with attempts to manipulate the expression into a suitable format for differentiation. Questions arise regarding the correct application of the chain rule and the implications of the substitutions made.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on using substitutions and applying the chain rule, while others correct earlier attempts and clarify the relationships between the variables. Multiple interpretations of the differentiation process are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached on the final outcome.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the transformations and the calculations involved, particularly in the application of the chain rule and the relationships between the variables. The original poster's attempts and subsequent corrections highlight the complexity of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


$$(x-a)(x+a)=x^2-a^2$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I have to express ##~\displaystyle x^2+16=f\left( \frac{x}{x-1} \right)##
I guess it has to be ##~\displaystyle \left( \frac{x}{x-1} \right)^n-a~## or ##~\displaystyle \left( \frac{x}{x-1} \pm a \right)^n##
I tried ##~\displaystyle \left( \frac{x}{x-1}+4 \right)^2~## but no good
 
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Use substitution. Write ##y=\sqrt{x^2+16}## and ##t=x/(x-1)##. Then by the chain rule:
$$\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{dy}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}$$
and both factors on the RHS are easily calculated (the second by expressing ##x## in terms of ##t##).
 
$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{2}(x^2+16)^{-1/2}\cdot 2x=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+16}}$$
$$x=\frac{t}{t-1},~\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{-1}{t-1}$$
$$\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+16}}\frac{-1}{t-1}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+16}}(1-x)$$
$$x=3~\rightarrow~\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{3(-2)}{5}=-\frac{6}{5}$$
The answer should be ##~\displaystyle -\frac{12}{5}##
 
Correction:
$$x=\frac{t}{t-1},~~\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{-1}{(t-1)^2}=-(x-1)^2$$
$$\frac{dy}{dt}=\frac{-x(x-1)^2}{\sqrt{x^2+16}}$$
$$x=3~\rightarrow~\frac{dy}{dt}=-\frac{12}{5}$$
 

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