Differntiating natural logs of x and y functions

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The original poster attempts to differentiate an equation involving natural logarithms of functions of x and y, specifically ln(x^2+1) + ln(y+1) = x + y, and seeks expressions for dy/dx in terms of x and y.

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  • Participants discuss the method of implicit differentiation, with the original poster expressing difficulty in obtaining the correct answer. There are requests for the original poster to show their working to identify potential errors.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process, specifically highlighting the need to apply the chain rule correctly. There is an ongoing exploration of the differentiation steps without a clear consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants note the importance of correctly applying differentiation rules, particularly for logarithmic functions, and question the assumptions made in the original poster's attempts.

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i have a question I'm attempting as extra work, I have tried the usual method but no luck... find expressionsf for dy/dx in terms of x and y:

ln(x^2+1) + ln(y+1) = x +y
 
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Do you know how to do implicit differentiation?
 
yes, that's the method i tried, but i get the wrong answer
 
If you show your working we'll try to correct you.
 
dy/dx - 1/ x^2 +1 + 1 / y+1.dy/dx = 1 + dy/dx

=1 /x^2+1 - 1 = dy/dx(1-1/y+1)

dy/dx = (x^2 + 1)^-1 - 1/ 1- (y+1)^-1
 
Remember [tex]\frac{d}{dx} \ln(x^2 +1) \neq \frac{1}{x^2+1}[/tex]

You need to use the chain rule to get the proper derivative.
 
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Jeff Ford said:
Remember [tex]\frac{d}{dx} \ln(x^2 +1) \neq \frac{1}{x^2+1}[/tex]

You need to use the chain rule to get the proper derivative.

Yes you need to multiply this by the derivative of the bracket :smile:
 

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