Difficult Summation Problem Grade 12

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula for the sum of the series \(\sum iri-1\) in terms of \(n\) and \(r\). Participants are exploring the implications of the index \(i\) and the limits of the summation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses confusion about the role of \(i\) in the summation and attempts to relate it to known formulas. Some participants suggest using derivatives of the summation to derive the formula, while others question how this approach would be beneficial. There is also a discussion about the necessity of defining limits for the sum.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and questioning assumptions about the sum's limits. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the definition of the sum, and some guidance has been provided regarding the derivative of the sum.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the sum starting at \(i=1\) and ending at \(n\), and a participant points out the importance of correctly defining the sum to avoid ambiguity.

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Determine a formula for the sum of
[itex]\sum[/itex] iri-1
in terms of n and r.

I am stuck on this, i don't understand what to do with the "i" infront of the ri-1i know that [itex]\sum[/itex] ri-1 = (1-rn ) /1-r

all sums are for an index of i=1 to n
I just don't know how to go any farther. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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You don't have any limits on your sum. You should. But here's a hint. The derivative of r^i with respect to r is i*r^(i-1).
 
Use that dri/dr=iri-1.

ehild
 
how will finding the derivative of the sum help me find the formula for the sum?
 
slapshotphil said:
how will finding the derivative of the sum help me find the formula for the sum?

Define the sum first. If you don't have any limits on it, it doesn't mean anything.
 
the sum starts at (i=1) and ends at (n)
 
slapshotphil said:
how will finding the derivative of the sum help me find the formula for the sum?

What is the sum Ʃri from i=1 to i=n?


ehild
 
the sum of ri is...

1-rn
1-r

but for the derivative of that i got
(-nrn-1)(1-r) - (1-rn)(-1)
(1-r)2

which is not the correct answer...

any hints?
 
slapshotphil said:
the sum of ri is...

1-rn
1-r

but for the derivative of that i got
(-nrn-1)(1-r) - (1-rn)(-1)
(1-r)2

which is not the correct answer...

any hints?

Your sum is incorrect. it should be [1-r^(n+1)]/[1-r] if its from i = 0 to n

So subtract the term where i = 0 to get the proper sum from 1 to n
 

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