Dimension of electric charge, hypercharge and isospin

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The discussion revolves around the dimensions and relationships of various parameters in the context of gauge theories, specifically focusing on electric charge, weak hypercharge, and weak isospin within the framework of SU(2) and U(1) gauge symmetries. Participants explore the implications of these parameters in both SI and esu units, as well as their roles in symmetry breaking.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that electric charge Q is in esu and has unit statcoulomb, while also proposing that Q, Y, T, N, g, g', and e all share the same dimension.
  • Another participant asserts that everything discussed is dimensionless.
  • There is a query about the differences between g' and Y, and between g and T, with some participants noting that g and g' are coupling constants with dimensions similar to e, while T and Y are dimensionless parameters related to the electroweak symmetry group.
  • One participant mentions that the gauge symmetries are first unbroken and later broken, questioning whether g and g' are unbroken parameters while Y and T are broken parameters, which is contested by another participant who states that symmetry breaking does not affect g and g', but rather particle masses.
  • There is a discussion about whether weak charge exists alongside weak hypercharge and weak isospin, with one participant stating that weak charge is the same as regular charge.
  • Another participant emphasizes the distinction between mass and electric charge in SI units versus esu, arguing that they have different dimensions, while also noting that m√G and q√K have the same dimension in esu.
  • There is confusion regarding the relationship between g, g', T, and Y, with a participant questioning why the equation T_3 + Y/2 = gg'/√(g² + g'²) is incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the dimensions of the parameters discussed, the nature of symmetry breaking, and the relationships between the various gauge parameters. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different unit systems (SI and esu) and their implications for the dimensions of physical quantities, highlighting the complexity of comparing these systems. There are also unresolved mathematical steps regarding the relationships between the parameters.

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For SU(2) the three represented gauge fields are A_\mu^1, A_\mu^2 and A_\mu^3 and for U(1) the gauge field is B_\mu.
The A_\mu^3 and B_\mu are electrically neutral.
The photon \gamma and Z particle are combinations of these.

My interest is the dimensions of the following parameters:

g = strength of gauge fields A_\mu^1, A_\mu^2 and A_\mu^3.

g' = strength of gauge field B_\mu.

e = electron charge.
e = \frac{gg'}{\sqrt{g^2 + g'^2}}.

And:

Q = T_3 + \frac{Y}{2}.
Y = weak hypercharge.
T_3 = weak isospin.
Q = electric charge.
N = electron number.

First I suppose that electric charge Q is in esu and has unit statcoulomb.
So Q in SI-units is q \sqrt{K} in which K is the Coulomb constant and q is electric charge in SI-units.
And I also suppose that electron charge e in the above equation is in esu. Is this al true?
Can I say that also Q, Y, T, N, g, g' and e all have the same dimension?

What is the difference between g'and Y ?
And what is the difference between g and T ?

The gauge symmetries are first unbroken and later broken symmetries.
Is it that g and g' are unbroken parameters and Y and T are broken parameters?

Next to weak hypercharge and weak isospin does weak charge exist?
In that case is there also an equation to calculate weak charge from weak hypercharge and weak isospin?
 
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Everything here is dimensionless.
 
What is the difference between g' and Y ?
And what is the difference between g and T ?

In that case is there also an equation to calculate weak charge from weak hypercharge and weak isospin?
dimsum, g and g' are coupling constants with the same dimensions as e (but I don't think too many particle physicists use statcoulombs!)

g sin θW = g' cos θW = e

where θW is the weak mixing angle. T and Y are dimensionless parameters related to the electroweak symmetry group. They are designed to imitate the corresponding parameters T, Y in the symmetry group for strong interactions. Q = T3 + Y/2 in both cases, but note an important difference - electroweak symmetry is chiral: The quarks u and d have T = 1 in the strong symmetry, but in the weak symmetry the left-handed quarks uL and dL have T = 1, while the right-handed quarks uR and dR have T = 0.

The gauge symmetries are first unbroken and later broken symmetries.
Is it that g and g' are unbroken parameters and Y and T are broken parameters?
No, not at all. The symmetry breaking does not affect g and g', only particle masses, and is characterized by another physical parameter, v = 246 GeV. For example

MW = ½ v g
MZ = ½ v √(g2 + g'2)

Next to weak hypercharge and weak isospin does weak charge exist?
"Weak charge" is exactly the same as regular charge.
 
Bill_K said:
(but I don't think too many particle physicists use statcoulombs!)

Thanks Bill, but there is a difference.
In SI-units we have mass m, and this has a different dimension then m\sqrt{G}.
Likewise in SI-units we have electric charge q, and this has a different dimension then q\sqrt{K}.

In SI-units mass m and electric charge q don't have the same dimension. But m\sqrt{G} and q\sqrt{K} do have the same dimension.

m\sqrt{G} in ESU is called mass.

And q\sqrt{K} in ESU is called electric charge and have both the same dimension.

So mass in SI-units is another quantity then mass in ESU.
I think in the original article of Steven Weinberg, ESU units are used.



But stil not clear is the difference between on the one hand g and g' and on the other hand T and Y.
g and T are both related to SU(2) symmetry group, but they are not the same, what is the difference?
and g' and Y are both related to the U(1) symmetry group, but they are not the same, again what is the difference?
The electron charge e and Q are also related to the U(1) symmetry group, but I can't exchange e for Q:

T_3 + \frac{Y}{2} = \frac{gg'}{\sqrt{g^2 + g'^2}} is wrong, but why?
 

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