Direction of current flow in KCL/Node Voltage Confusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the direction of current flow in the context of Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and node voltage analysis. Participants explore how current directions can affect the outcomes of circuit analysis, particularly in homework problems involving dependent sources and different labeling conventions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the labeling of current directions in circuit diagrams, questioning why current can flow into a node in one instance and out in another, despite consistent polarities.
  • Another participant asserts that any direction can be chosen for currents, and if the chosen direction is incorrect, the resulting negative values indicate the actual direction is opposite.
  • A participant shares their experience of choosing a direction for current flow and receiving an unexpected result, suggesting that the direction choice may indeed matter in practice.
  • One response introduces a personal rule regarding current flow and suggests using KCL more effectively, emphasizing that the sum of currents entering a node equals the sum of those leaving.
  • Another participant notes that they avoid sign errors by writing KVL/KCL equations in a specific format, indicating a preference for clarity in equation setup.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of current direction choices, with some asserting that any direction can be chosen while others indicate that it may affect the analysis outcome. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for choosing current directions in circuit analysis.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about current direction choices and their implications on KCL and KVL equations. The discussion highlights the potential for confusion arising from different labeling conventions and the treatment of dependent sources.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


V=IR
KCL/Node Voltage

The Attempt at a Solution


These are the solutions to some old homework assignments that my teacher posted, but I am very confused on the way he labeled his current flows in these problems. In the first picture he says that the current from the left branch is flowing into the node. In the second picture he is saying that all currents are flowing out of the nodes. The polaritites in both circuits are the same. Why is it that in the first picture we have current flowing into the node? That would mean current is flowing - to + which is not the conventional way of doing it. Does it have something to do with the dependent current source? Do we treat those differently? Also, why are the polarities on the resistor + to - from left to right?

It seems that in other homework problems it's the same. The source is always the same orientation + - top to bot but the current sometimes goes into the node and sometimes it goes out. HOW DO YOU CHOOSE?? WHAT IS CORRECT? If you choose wrong then your KCL will be different in both cases and you will get a wrong answer.
 
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Marcin H said:
HOW DO YOU CHOOSE?? WHAT IS CORRECT?
You can choose ANY direction for the currents. If the chosen directions are not correct, you'll get negative values for the currents after solving KCL and KVL equations, which means actual direction is the opposite of chosen direction.
 
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cnh1995 said:
You can choose ANY direction for the currents. If the chosen directions are not correct, you'll get negative values for the currents after solving KCL and KVL equations, which means actual direction is the opposite of chosen direction.
In the second example I chose the left branch to have the current going out. So I had the same equation except with one part on the other side. So I had:

(Vx - 5)/3 = Vx/6 + 2x

I assumed that the current is going out for the left branch. Solving for Vx I got something weird like -11/10. The answer in the solutions is Vx = (2/3) V so I did not get the negative of that. I have had this problem several times. I heard that it doesn't matter what direction you choose, but it looks like it does. Why?
 
Marcin H said:
(Vx - 5)/3 = Vx/6 + 2x
You are using a rule "current out of branch 1 = currents out of all the other branches". We can call this this the Marcin H Rule because no one else has ever heard of it.

I'm positive that you'll have more success by using the much more trendy KCL instead. :smile: Here is one way to express it: Sum of all currents leaving a node = 0

An alternative but equivalent way to express KCL is: Sum of all currents entering a node = 0

⏩ A correct but all-too-easily-confused way is: Sum of the currents entering a node = sum of those currents leaving
 
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+1

I also find I make far fewer sign errors if I force myself to write the KVL/KVC equations in the form x + y + z = 0 and not x + y = -z
 

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