Direction of electrical force in coloumb's law

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The discussion centers on the theoretical justification for why the force between two charges, according to Coulomb's law, acts along the line joining them. Participants explore concepts related to symmetry, energy considerations, and the nature of electric fields in both stationary and moving charge scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the theoretical proof for the force acting along the line joining two charges as per Coulomb's law.
  • One participant suggests that the force direction is due to it being the shortest distance, which minimizes energy consumption.
  • A participant notes that the Coulomb interaction is a conservative force derived from a scalar potential, indicating that the work done is path-independent, reinforcing the straight-line path concept.
  • Another participant introduces Maxwell's laws, stating that for stationary charges, the electric field is irrotational and has only a radial component, which aligns with the straight line between charges.
  • Symmetry is presented as a demonstration that the force direction remains unchanged under rotation around the line connecting the charges, implying that this direction is unique.
  • One participant points out that the reasoning holds only for stationary charges, as moving charges would require consideration of their retarded positions.
  • A later reply reiterates the symmetry argument and discusses deeper physical principles, including conservation laws related to angular momentum, linear momentum, and energy, suggesting that a non-central force would violate these principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the theoretical justification for the force direction, with some agreeing on symmetry and conservation principles while others raise conditions related to stationary versus moving charges. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the assumption of stationary versus moving charges and the need for further clarification on the implications of symmetry and conservation laws in different contexts.

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is there any theoretical proof why force between the two charges act along the line joining them (acc to coloumb' s law)
 
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I think because it's the shortest distance which can have the lowest energy consumption.
 
The Coulomb interaction is a conservative force which can be obtained from a scalar potential. The work needed to move a charged particle from an initial position to a final position is the same regardless of path. Every other path is the same as a straight line, shortest distance path.

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From Maxwell's laws we have ∇ x E = dB/dt. In our case, we have a stationary charge and a charged test particle that doesn't influence the electric field, so we can say that dB/dt = 0 and ∇ x E = 0. The electric field is thus irrotational - it must have only a radial component. The radial component will be a straight line connecting the point charge with the test particle.
 
ankities said:
is there any theoretical proof why force between the two charges act along the line joining them (acc to coloumb' s law)
Symmetry is the simplest demonstration. If you rotate the world around the line connecting the two charges, nothing in the problem changes. That means, you should get exactly the same solution. The only direction of force that doesn't change if you rotate the whole problem is along the same line.
 
it holds only when they are stationary.if they are moving,the direction refers to the retarded position.
 
K^2 said:
Symmetry is the simplest demonstration. If you rotate the world around the line connecting the two charges, nothing in the problem changes. That means, you should get exactly the same solution. The only direction of force that doesn't change if you rotate the whole problem is along the same line.

I agree with K^2. You cannot "prove" that its true, but there are deep physical principles, one of which is that, if you have an isolated system, the physics doesn't change if you rotate it. Another way of saying that is that there is no special or preferred direction. But we know charge is a scalar, it has no direction, so if the force were not along the a line connecting the two charges, then it would define a special direction in space, in violation of that principle. A direct result of that principle is that angular momentum is conserved. If the force were not central, the angular momentum of the two charges would constantly be increasing, again, a violation of the principle.

There are three similar principles. The physics for an isolated system doesn't change if you rotate it, which gives conservation of angular momentum. The physics for an isolated system doesn't change if you move it somewhere else, which gives conservation of linear momentum. And lastly, the physics for an isolated system doesn't change if you set it up now, or later (i.e. "move it in time"), which gives conservation of energy.
 

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