Direction of Greatest Rate of Change for Function f(x, y, z) in the Plane z = 1

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The problem involves finding points in the plane z = 1 where the direction of the greatest rate of change of the function f(x, y, z) = z^4(x^2 − y^2) is parallel to a specific vector, i − 2j + 3k. Participants are exploring the implications of the gradient of the function in relation to this vector.

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of taking the gradient before substituting z = 1, with some attempting to compute the gradient directly. Questions arise about the conditions for parallelism with the given vector and whether solutions exist.

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There is ongoing exploration of the gradient and its relationship to the specified vector. Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of solutions, while others provide corrections and clarifications regarding the gradient's formulation.

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Participants are working under the constraint of the plane z = 1, which is central to the problem. There is a focus on verifying calculations and understanding the implications of the gradient's direction.

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Homework Statement



For the function f(x, y, z) = z^4(x^2 − y^2), find the coordinates of
those points in the plane z = 1 at which the direction of the greatest rate of
change of f is parallel to the vector i − 2j + 3k.


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i just want to verify that i am approaching this question correctly.

1.First, i substitute, z =1 into the equation.
2.so i get f(x,y,z) = x^2- y^2.
3. Then i find grad f(x,y,z). cos i need the direction of greatest rate of change. (i mean i find grad f of the equation x^2-y^2.)
4. To find the coodinates parallel to the vector i-2j+3k, i substitute
these values into my grad f equation.

MY WORKING:

As z= 1
f(x,y,z) = x^2 - y^2

grad f = 2xi - 2yj

Subsitute, x =1,y=-2 ->2xi-2yj

Therefore coordinates are: (2,4,0)


Could someone please tell me if this is correct.

Tanx
 
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Take the gradient BEFORE you substitute for z! The gradient of x^2-y^2 is NEVER parallel to the given vector.
 
So i'll get grad f = (2xz^4)i-(2yz^4)j - (4z^3 x^2 - 4z^3 y ^2)k

And i substitute, x = 1, y=-2 and z=3 into grad f:

and i get, the coordinates, (162, 324,972). <----Is this right?

does that fact that it is on the plane z= 1 have anything to do with the solution?

Thanx
 
Take the gradient, then substitute z=1. 2xi-2yj+4(x^2-y^2)k. Now try to find values of x and y that make this parallel to your given vector. Do you know how to determine if two vectors are parallel. BTW - I can't find any such x and y. There may be no solution.
 
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Dick, check the sign on your gradient. I get 2x\hat i - 2y\hat j + 4(x^2-y^2)\hat k. There are still no solutions.
 
D H said:
Dick, check the sign on your gradient. I get 2x\hat i - 2y\hat j + 4(x^2-y^2)\hat k. There are still no solutions.

Check. Thanks.
 

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