Direction of motion of points on a rope as a wave travels

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The discussion focuses on the motion of points on a rope as a wave travels through it. It is established that point A remains at rest while points B and C move vertically down at t=0 due to the nature of the transverse wave. The assumption that the lengths from point R to A, B, and C remain constant is critical for understanding their new positions, denoted as A', B', and C'. The participants emphasize that in a transverse wave, points on the rope move perpendicular to the wave's direction, but the specific vertical direction (up or down) depends on the wave's propagation. Overall, the reasoning confirms the downward motion of points B and C at the initial moment.
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Homework Statement
A rope RS has a pulse at ##t=0## traveling towards the right at ##1 m/s## as shown in the first diagram below.
What will be the direction of motion of points A, B and C at ##t=0##?
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The second diagram is my attempt at the solution, in which the dotted part is the pulse in the rope a very small interval of time after ##t=0##.

Point A should be at rest since we know wave is moving towards right and point A on the rope becomes a part of initial horizontal part of the string a moment after ##t=0##.

I am still trying to figure out the reasoning behind the direction of motion of points B and C.

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Your diagram is good, making it quite easy to see where B and C have moved to on the dotted line. Try marking them as B', C'.
 
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haruspex said:
Your diagram is good, making it quite easy to see where B and C have moved to on the dotted line. Try marking them as B', C'.

I am assuming that the length of rope from point ##R## upto points ##A, B, C## will be a constant for each point in question i.e. lengths ##RA, RB, RC## are going to be constant. We can also say that ## RA=RA'##,
## RB=RB'## and ## RC=RC'##.

With above assumption, I came up with following diagram for new positions ##A', B', C'##. It seems as the interval of time for dotted wave approaches ##0##, ##B'## approaches a position vertically under ##B##; similar reasoning will apply to ##C'##.

So, points ##A, B## will be moving vertically down at ##t=0##.

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haruspex said:
Your diagram is good, making it quite easy to see where B and C have moved to on the dotted line. Try marking them as B', C'.

If my reasoning in post#3 is correct, then is there
an alternate easier/shorter reasoning?
 
vcsharp2003 said:
I am assuming that the length of rope from point ##R## upto points ##A, B, C## will be a constant for each point in question i.e. lengths ##RA, RB, RC## are going to be constant. We can also say that ## RA=RA'##,
## RB=RB'## and ## RC=RC'##.

With above assumption, I came up with following diagram for new positions ##A', B', C'##. It seems as the interval of time for dotted wave approaches ##0##, ##B'## approaches a position vertically under ##B##; similar reasoning will apply to ##C'##.

So, points ##A, B## will be moving vertically down at ##t=0##.

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Again, your diagram is good, though in the usual idealisation of a transverse wave the elements do not undergo any longitudinal movement. That also leads to the answer you arrived at.
 
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haruspex said:
In the usual idealisation of a transverse wave the elements do not undergo any longitudinal movement.
Can we conclude based on this fact the directions (either up or down) of the points? For a shorter reasoning, we can say that a rope always has a transverse wave and therefore points on it will move perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wave. But, how do we now say that the correct direction is either up or down?
 
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vcsharp2003 said:
For a shorter reasoning, we can say that a rope always has a transverse wave and therefore points on it will move perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wave. But, how do we now say that the correct direction is either up or down?
That won't do it because the direction of the wave matters.
 
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vcsharp2003 said:
So, points A,B will be moving vertically down at t=0.
Sorry, the above statement should be as below.

So, points ##B, C## will be moving vertically down at ##t=0##.

Note: I could not edit my post#3 and therefore, I am posting a correction here for others.
 
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