Direction of motion of points on a rope as a wave travels

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The discussion revolves around the motion of points on a rope as a wave travels through it, specifically focusing on the behavior of points A, B, and C at a given time. The subject area involves wave motion and the characteristics of transverse waves.

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  • Participants discuss the positions of points A, B, and C on the rope and their movements as a wave pulse travels. There is an exploration of the assumption that the lengths from a reference point R to A, B, and C remain constant. Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind the vertical motion of these points at time t=0 and whether there is a simpler explanation for their movement.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing diagrams and reasoning about the motion of points on the rope. Some participants suggest that the elements of the rope do not undergo longitudinal movement, while others question how to definitively determine the vertical direction of motion for points B and C. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and clarifications are being explored.

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Participants note the idealization of transverse waves and the implications of this on the movement of points on the rope. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations in the reasoning presented and the need for further clarification on the direction of motion.

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Homework Statement
A rope RS has a pulse at ##t=0## traveling towards the right at ##1 m/s## as shown in the first diagram below.
What will be the direction of motion of points A, B and C at ##t=0##?
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The second diagram is my attempt at the solution, in which the dotted part is the pulse in the rope a very small interval of time after ##t=0##.

Point A should be at rest since we know wave is moving towards right and point A on the rope becomes a part of initial horizontal part of the string a moment after ##t=0##.

I am still trying to figure out the reasoning behind the direction of motion of points B and C.

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Your diagram is good, making it quite easy to see where B and C have moved to on the dotted line. Try marking them as B', C'.
 
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haruspex said:
Your diagram is good, making it quite easy to see where B and C have moved to on the dotted line. Try marking them as B', C'.

I am assuming that the length of rope from point ##R## upto points ##A, B, C## will be a constant for each point in question i.e. lengths ##RA, RB, RC## are going to be constant. We can also say that ## RA=RA'##,
## RB=RB'## and ## RC=RC'##.

With above assumption, I came up with following diagram for new positions ##A', B', C'##. It seems as the interval of time for dotted wave approaches ##0##, ##B'## approaches a position vertically under ##B##; similar reasoning will apply to ##C'##.

So, points ##A, B## will be moving vertically down at ##t=0##.

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haruspex said:
Your diagram is good, making it quite easy to see where B and C have moved to on the dotted line. Try marking them as B', C'.

If my reasoning in post#3 is correct, then is there
an alternate easier/shorter reasoning?
 
vcsharp2003 said:
I am assuming that the length of rope from point ##R## upto points ##A, B, C## will be a constant for each point in question i.e. lengths ##RA, RB, RC## are going to be constant. We can also say that ## RA=RA'##,
## RB=RB'## and ## RC=RC'##.

With above assumption, I came up with following diagram for new positions ##A', B', C'##. It seems as the interval of time for dotted wave approaches ##0##, ##B'## approaches a position vertically under ##B##; similar reasoning will apply to ##C'##.

So, points ##A, B## will be moving vertically down at ##t=0##.

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Again, your diagram is good, though in the usual idealisation of a transverse wave the elements do not undergo any longitudinal movement. That also leads to the answer you arrived at.
 
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haruspex said:
In the usual idealisation of a transverse wave the elements do not undergo any longitudinal movement.
Can we conclude based on this fact the directions (either up or down) of the points? For a shorter reasoning, we can say that a rope always has a transverse wave and therefore points on it will move perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wave. But, how do we now say that the correct direction is either up or down?
 
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vcsharp2003 said:
For a shorter reasoning, we can say that a rope always has a transverse wave and therefore points on it will move perpendicular to the direction of travel of the wave. But, how do we now say that the correct direction is either up or down?
That won't do it because the direction of the wave matters.
 
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vcsharp2003 said:
So, points A,B will be moving vertically down at t=0.
Sorry, the above statement should be as below.

So, points ##B, C## will be moving vertically down at ##t=0##.

Note: I could not edit my post#3 and therefore, I am posting a correction here for others.
 

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