Direction of Vectors: North vs Northeast

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of vector directions, specifically the phrases "north of east" and "northeast." Participants explore the implications of these terms in the context of navigation and introductory physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that "northeast" is specifically defined as 45 degrees north of east, while "north of east" could refer to a range of angles, potentially leading to ambiguity.
  • One participant mentions that in navigation courses, terms like "North by North East" and "East by North East" are used, suggesting a preference for more precise directional terminology.
  • Another participant describes "north of east" as indicating a counterclockwise acute angle from the positive x-axis, but questions the vagueness of the term.
  • There is a suggestion that the phrase "north of east" may be common in introductory physics contexts before students learn more rigorous vector notation.
  • A side comment introduces a puzzle involving a hunter's movement, prompting further exploration of geographical contexts where such movement results in returning to the starting point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and usage of the terms "north of east" and "northeast." There is no consensus on the preferred terminology or its implications in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of the terms used, noting that "north of east" could refer to a wide range of angles, which may lead to confusion in interpretation.

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What's the difference between saying that a vector's direction is north of east and north east?
 
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Bassel AbdulSabour said:
What's the difference between saying that a vector's direction is north of east and north east?
Northeast is 45 degrees north of east. 5 degrees north of east is not quite northeast, it is mostly east.
 
Bassel AbdulSabour said:
north of east
I haven't come across this phrase in my Nav courses. There is North by North East and there is East by North East, which lie on either side of North East. However, it is more usual to use Degrees and minutes (and decimals of a minute) to describe a bearing or course.
It's a long time since students of navigation were required to "Box the Compass", which is reciting all 32 points of the compass.
 
In intro classes, "north of east" means go "north of the eastern direction" (trying to describe a counterclockwise acute angle from the positive x-axis).

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Then I feel compelled to ask the puzzle...
a hunter travels one mi South, then one mi East, then one mi North and is at the same position the hunter started...
what color bear...?
(then ask if there are other places on Earth where one can do that sequence of steps and end up at the same place).
 
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robphy said:
In intro classes, "north of east" means go "north of the eastern direction" (trying to describe a counterclockwise acute angle from the positive x-axis).
The meaning of that nomenclature is very vague. North of East could take you one minute of arc or almost 90 degrees. (Adding a N vector of undefined magnitude)
Which 'intro classes' use it?
 
sophiecentaur said:
Which 'intro classes' use it?
It's common nomenclature in the Intro Physics forum. I'm guessing it's part of intro physics classes, before they learn the more rigorous vector polar notation standards.
 
No better than “left hand down a bit”
 

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