Discuss the World Cup 2010: England vs. USA

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The World Cup 2010 began with South Africa and Mexico drawing 1-1, sparking discussions among fans about their favorite teams and predictions for the tournament. The upcoming match between England and the USA on June 12 is particularly anticipated, with many believing both teams have a good chance of advancing. There was a debate over an offside call that disallowed a goal, with most agreeing it was the correct decision. Predictions for various matches were shared, highlighting excitement and differing opinions on team performances. Overall, the forum serves as a hub for fans to engage in World Cup discussions and share their thoughts on the games.
  • #91
June 15:

New Zealand - Slovakia (0-1)
Ivory Coast - Portugal (1-2)
Brazil - Korea DPR (4-0)

Need a volunteer to take up scoreboard duty today and tomorrow.
 
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  • #92
D H said:
Italy - Paraguay (1-1)
Yes!
 
  • #93
June 15:

New Zealand - Slovakia (0-3)
Ivory Coast - Portugal (1-3)
Brazil - Korea DPR (4-0)
 
  • #94
June 15

New Zealand - Slovakia (0-2)
Ivory Coast - Portugal (1-1)
Brazil - Korea DPR (3-0)
 
  • #95
D H said:
Red card & PK.
The keeper has not only violated the 13th law, he has violated the 18th law. Football/soccer has 17 published laws. The unpublished 18th law, "the spirit of the game," is paramount here.


No foul, I think.


Yellow card for wasting time, indirect free kick for the other team. Passing the ball back and forth (and back and forth and back and forth) for 10 minutes is one thing. At least the ball is moving. If one of the teams wants to change the pace they are free to do so. Sitting down on the ball is quite another matter.

Wrong, wrong, correct.

A foul can only occur on the field of play, so no penalty kick. (Red card might still be correct if you felt holding the ankle was violent conduct). Correct restart is a dropped ball (off field misconduct) or a throw in if the ref isn't willing to consider the ankle hold as violent conduct or if the ref felt the holding only reached the level of violent conduct after the ball left the field of play. Realistically, the GK has to be sent off for something just for the 18th law you mentioned.

Using a teammate's body to increase the height of one's jump is unsporting conduct (acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game). It's illegal whether he uses a teammate's shoulders, runs up a teammate's back, or is physically lifted by a teammate (none of that rugby crap here). It's a red card for denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity by an offense punishable by a free kick (an indirect free kick in this case). Restart is an indirect free kick since the game was stopped for misconduct, not the ball going over the bar. (You have to go back 3 or 4 decades to one of the IFAB interpretations to find this one, so it's practically a verbal tradition passed down generation to generation). Of course, one has to be careful to figure out whether the player was pushing off of his team mates shoulders to launch himself, or feeling for danger since he was making a blind landing (i.e. - it had better be blatant).

Last is correct for the same reason - acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game. In the '82 World Cup game, no action was taken during or after the game. Considering the outcry after the game, it would be hard to say the teams didn't act in a manner that showed disrepect to the game (or in a manner that brought the game into disrepute, as worded then), so that probably wasn't a great decision by the referee (but I wouldn't have wanted to be the first referee to handle that situation). I'm not so sure a team would get away with that now. If you watch the last group games, the situation is sure to come up at least once and notice one team or the other sends the ball into their opponent's end at least once in a while to keep up some pretense that the game is still being played and I don't think that's coincidence.
 
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  • #96
New Zealand - Slovakia (1 - 2)
Ivory Coast - Portugal (0 - 1)
Brazil - North Korea (2 - 0)
 
  • #97
BobG said:
Wrong, wrong, correct.
1. You edited the post after I made mine. In your initial version the keeper grabbed the person within the field of play (i.e., close to the six yard line). The foul occurred on the field of play.

2. Yeah, I can see that. Rule 18 is for the most part word of mouth. The unsportsmanlike conduct at the levels at which I refereed is distinctly different from the unsportsmanlike conduct at the highest levels of play.
 
  • #98
Actually, the edit was to add the fourth situation.

But it's always harder to visualize something you read rather than actually see, since all but the slowest readers tend to skip words when they anticipate what the words will say.
 
  • #99
Gokul43201 said:
Need a volunteer to take up scoreboard duty today and tomorrow.

Sure, no problem, if everyones cool with it:

Results:
Netherlands - Denmark (2-0)
Japan - Cameroon (1-0)
Italy - Portugal (1-1)


Scoring Table
Code:
Member      June 14 Score      Cumulative Score
-----------------------------------------------
D H               5                   8
cristo            4                   6
Dadface           3                   4
kakarotyjn        3                   3
Bob               2                   6
estro             1                   5
Monique           1                   5
zomgwtf           1                   3
rootX             0                   3
Gokul             -                   7  (too late right)
cronxeh           -                   0
brothertime       -                   0
jreelawg          -                   0

I don't think I've missed anyone. If I did or I added something up incorrectly just post. :-p
 
  • #100
BobG said:
Actually, the edit was to add the fourth situation.
Off-field fouls are always a bit tricky. I read your first situation as a foul on the field. Like you said, I anticipated what you were writing rather than reading. When I did referee (and coach, and organize) I had to deal with situations that never arise at high levels of play. A field with a chain link fence six feet from the foul line that tears up players who "just happen" to be pushed into it. Aunts, uncles, moms, and dads taunting players and fighting with one another. The ugly fence was one thing; dealing with and later hearing about those fightin' aunties and uncles on a talk radio show was one of the reasons I stopped volunteering my time. 1000 cell phone calls in two months was another reason.
 
  • #101
New Zealand -Slovakia 1:2
Cote d\'ivoire - Portugal 1:3
Brazil - North Korea 3:0
 
  • #102
zomgwtf said:
Sure, no problem, if everyones cool with it:

Results:
Netherlands - Denmark (2-0)
Japan - Cameroon (1-0)
Italy - Portugal (1-1)


Scoring Table
Code:
Member      June 14 Score      Cumulative Score
-----------------------------------------------
rootX             0                   3

I don't think I've missed anyone. If I did or I added something up incorrectly just post. :-p

Ridiculous.

Next one:
New Zealand -Slovakia 0-1
Cote d\'ivoire - Portugal 0:1
Brazil - North Korea 2:0
 
  • #103
For wednesday:

Honduras - Chile (0 - 1)
Spain - Switzerland (2 - 0)
South Africa - Uruguay (1 - 1)
 
  • #104
Predictions for today's first game:

Slovakia wins 1-0
brother time, BobG, Gokul43201, rootX

Slovakia wins 2-1
Monique, kakarotyjn

Slovakia wins 2-0
cristo, D H, estro, zomgwtf

Slovakia wins 3-0
jreelawg


Actual result: 1-1, with a goal by New Zealand at the very end of 2nd half extended time.
 
  • #105
Honduras - Chile (0-2)
Spain - Switzerland (3-0)
South Africa - Uruguay (2-1)
 
  • #106
HON 0 vs CHI 2 I like the Chilean keeper
ESP 3 vs SUI 0
RSA 1 vs URU 1
 
  • #107
Ivory Coast is playing a solid game right now offensively and defensively. Portugals defense has been nothing less of great though... I think that Portugal is going to be coming hard now though in the final 20 minutes of play.
 
  • #108
lol 0-0 tie for Ivory Coast vs Portugal. I have to say, I think this has been the best game so far of the world cup.
 
  • #109
Honduras - Chile (0-2)
Spain - Switzerland (2 - 0)
South Africa - Uruguay (1 - 1)
 
  • #110
Honduras-Chile(1,1)
Spain-Switzerland(1,0)
South Africa-Uruguay(1,1)
 
  • #111
I thought that Brazil vs N Korea was a great game, although not for the reasons I thought it would be !
 
  • #112
Honduras - Chile (0-1)
Spain - Switzerland (2-0)
South Africa - Uruguay (1-0)
 
  • #113
Honduras - Chile (0-1)
Spain - Switzerland (2-0)
South Africa - Uruguay (1-1)
 
  • #114
Honduras - Chile (2-4)
Spain - Switzerland (4-0)
South Africa - Uruguay (3-2)

a flurry of goals in the near future...
 
  • #115
I noticed I made a mistake in the last scores. It should be Italy and Paraguay not Portugal. :smile:.

Results:
Brazil - North Korea (2-1)
Ivory Coast - Portugal (0-0)
New Zealand - Slovakia (1-1)


Scoring Table
Code:
Member      June 15 Score      Cumulative Score
-----------------------------------------------
cristo            2                   8
estro             2                   7
zomgwtf           2                   5
D H               1                   9
Dadface           1                   5
kakarotyjn        1                   4
Bob               1                   7
Monique           1                   6
rootX             1                   4
Gokul             1                   8  
brothertime       1                   1
jreelawg          1                   1

I think it's all correct. Anyone who guessed a draw got one point regardless of the score, I don't know if that's how you guys do it though :-p. Was a tough day I thought the Portugal - Ivory Coast game was the best game so far. And North Korea was far from a push over for the Brazilians. Maybe they will be able to fair better in their next games, they definitely are not out of 'contenders' to advance in the group of death.

EDIT: OH and I took cronxeh off the list since he hasn't been putting anything up.
 
  • #116
Honduras - Chile (0-0)
Spain - Switzerland (2-0)
South Africa - Uruguay (1-0)
 
  • #117
The first was
CHI 1 vs HON 0

I will be gone for a while so here are my predictions.
June 17
FRA 1 vs MEX 2
GRE 0 vs NGR 2
ARG 3 vs KOR 1

June 18
USA 2 vs SVN 1
ENG 2 vs ALG 0
GER 3 vs SRB 0

June 19
GHA 1 vs AUS 1
NED 2 vs JPN 0
DEN 0 vs CMR 1
 
  • #118
BobG said:
Sure.

1) GK charges out of goal to make save against break-away attacking player and ball is bouncing toward goal line. Both players are chasing ball with attacking player in lead (since GK had to pick himself up from ground). Attacking player is clearly going to be first to ball and GK slides between attacking player and goal in desperation, hoping to make save - except attacking player is lucky to even keep the ball from going over the goal line. Both players wind up 6 feet beyond the goal line, ball near the intersection of goal box and goal line. Attacking player once again is first to start moving toward ball, so GK grabs attacker's ankle and holds on, preventing attacking player from re-entering the field to reach ball and allowing a defender to come back and clear the ball over the sideline.

Call, cards, restart?

2) Offense has indirect free kick on defenders' 6 yard line. The nearly perfectly executed indirect kick is headed toward the top corner when defender boosts himself up on teammate's shoulders and heads the ball over the cross bar.

Call, cards, restart?

3) Because of a couple of major injuries, game A has about 10 minutes of stoppage time still to be played when game B within the same group finishes. The score of game A is tied and both teams realize they will advance to the knockout round if the game remains tied; while either team would be eliminated by a loss. A player from one of the teams holds the ball at his foot until he realizes no one from the other team is going to challenge him; then sits down on the field next to the ball to wait out the last 10 minutes.

Call, cards, restart? (This is only farfetched by degree. There's a reason both of the last games in each group have to start at the same time. Everyone hopes to prevent the fiasco of the West German-Austria match in the 1982 World Cup in which both clubs kicked the ball around the field aimlessly for the last 80 minutes of the match. And it's not even far fetched by degree if you consider youth soccer. I can't remember which state, but one of their tournament games ended exactly this way rousing some tremendous outrage from many people.)

4) And one last youth soccer dumb coach tricks. He drills his team on quick restarts after offside calls (interesting tactic - American youth coaches are so cute). His team pulls off the offside trap, but catches the offense so far offside they don't even bother to chase the ball. It comes to a stop in front of the GK who has come out about 40 yards from her own goal, but she refuses to pick the ball up, since the whole point is to get the quick indirect free kick restart. Finally, after about 20-30 seconds have gone by, one of the players originally caught offside trots down the field to force the issue, except the GK still doesn't pick up the ball. Eventually, the offensive player reaches the ball, dribbles around the GK and down the field to score.

Correct call? Or should it have been offside as soon as the offensive player finally made a play on the ball?

the answers are as I can best answer them.

1) Red Card goalie for denying obvious goal scoring opportunity, restart with penalty kick

2) This is perfectly legal because the defender cannot foul his own team. Restart with corner kick.

3) This is technically fixing the match. yellow card the player (if the ref knows the score of game B) for unsporting behavior. indirect kick to other team. This occurred between Austria and Germany. It was aclled the least competitive game of all time.

4) Goal the player is no longer offside as the ball was ahead of them.
 
  • #119
Wow! Yet another game that shows the value of FIFA rankings.

Spain 0 - Switzerland 1
 
  • #120
D H said:
Wow! Yet another game that shows the value of FIFA rankings.

Spain 0 - Switzerland 1

Lol, didn't Spain win 37 of their last 38 games or something? I think the betting odds for Switzerland upsetting Spain were like 400 or something hahahahahaha. Who ever bet on them is probably pretty happy right now.
 

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