Discuss the World Cup 2010: England vs. USA

[Tedjn]

Good game right now between Uruguay and South Korea. Now that it's tied, maybe Uruguay will wake up a little.

 

[leroyjenkens]

Youtube has a soccer ball button on some videos that if you click on it, it has vuvuzelas play during the video.

 

[zomgwtf]

My two bits: There are 48 games in the group stage and only 16 in the knockouts. This makes our stats rather lopsided; the total possible score for the group stage is three times that of the total possible score for the knockout stage.

Here's the rub: The knockout stage is where the World Cup gets down to business. We ought to weigh the knockout stage more than we do. My suggestion for doing so:

First 90 minutes, including injury time:
For predicting the winner in regular time: 2 points, +4 points for predicting the exact score.
For predicting a tie: 1 point, +1 point for predicting the exact score.

Overtime:
For predicting the winner in overtime: 2 points, +2 points for predicting the exact score.
For predicting a tie: 1 point, +1 point for predicting the exact score.
Note: You can only predict an overtime outcome if you predict a tie in the first 90.

Kicks from the mark:
For predicting the winner: 1 point, +1 point for predicting the exact score.
Note: You can only predict a shootout outcome if you predict a tie in the first 90 and in overtime.


The above scheme yields a total of six PF points per knockout stage game, so there are 96 total points for the knockout stage. That is same total as that for the group stage (as opposed to a third), and let's us predict the real outcome of the game.

Ok are we going to do this starting today or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow cause some people have already put in their predictions.

 

[BobG]

Ok are we going to do this starting today or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow cause some people have already put in their predictions.

Does it really matter? The only way anyone will catch Monique is if they run over her in a car.

 

[Kurdt]

Why not the score you predict is inclusive of penalties and extra time etc? Or use the bookies method of only after 90 minutes of play. Its simples *click*

 

[Monique]

Does it really matter? The only way anyone will catch Monique is if they run over her in a car.

I was in Berlin for the weekend, luckily nobody ran over me in a car. The score definitely should not be inclusive of penalties, I made my prediction based on 90 minutes of play plus injury time (like all the other games).

Tomorrow:
Netherlands - Slovakia (1 - 0)
Brazil - Chili (1 - 0)

 

[zomgwtf]

Why not the score you predict is inclusive of penalties and extra time etc?

This is what I thought we were doing from the very beginning. I was predicting the full outcome of the game not just after 90 minutes + injury time. But it appears we haven't come to a consensus on what to do here lol.

Anyways tomorrow:
Netherlands - Slovakia (2-1)
Brazil - Chile (2-0)

 

[Monique]

If you include the penalties you get a huge bias in the score.
I'm not sure how many penalties you can maximally take, but I don't think it is very useful to have a score of 12-0 when in fact the game ended in 0-0 after 120 min of play.

 

[zomgwtf]

If you include the penalties you get a huge bias in the score.
I'm not sure how many penalties you can maximally take, but I don't think it is very useful to have a score of 12-0 when in fact the game ended in 0-0 after 100 min of play.

That's not how it works.

If a team goes into a shootout then it remains a draw. Goals scored in a shootout don't count towards the score... it's just used to determine who advances to the next stage. So if someone picked 1-1 draw then after 90minutes + injury time + overtime + ot injury time then it would be a draw and they would get their points and those who chose that a team would win would not.

I don't even think FIFA reports a 'winner' of the game in a penalty shootout. The team just advances, the score remains a draw though. In some leagues (lower levels) the team that wins the penalty shootout gets 1 point.

 

[Borg]

Tomorrow's guesses:

Netherlands - Slovakia (2 - 1)
Brazil - Chile (2 - 1)

 

[Monique]

Exactly, so we're not including the score after the penalty shootout. I'm fine with including the overtime play, but the system of DH is too complicated for my liking.

 

[cristo]

I agree that DH's proposal is, in my opinion, too complicated. Like Monique, I'm fine with including extra time in the predictions.

With that in mind, for the next couple of days:

Netherlands - Slovakia (4-1)
Brazil - Chile (3-0)
Paraguay - Japan (1-1)
Spain - Portugal (1-4)

 

[Dadface]

Netherlands-Slovakia(1,1)
Brazil-Chile(3,1)

 

[D H]

Netherlands - Slovakia (2-0)
Brazil - Chile (2-0)

 

[lisab]

Youtube has a soccer ball button on some videos that if you click on it, it has vuvuzelas play during the video.

I keep thinking a vuvuzela is a kind of flowering shrub .

 

[ViewsofMars]

Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to share with everyone what I found earlier today. Check it out. It's awesome! NASA Goes to the FIFA World Cup 2010:
http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/worldcup2010/index.html

I feel grand. Sort of like I'm there in a special kind of way.

 

[zomgwtf]

Results 26-27th:

Uruguay - South Korea (2-1)
U.S.A. - Ghana(1-2)
Germany - England (4-1)
Argentina - Mexico (3-1)

Scoring Table

Member      June 26-27 Score      Cumulative Score
-----------------------------------------------------
Monique           1-2                   29
D H               L-2                   26
Bob               2-2                   25
cristo            L-1                   24
zomgwtf           3-2                   22
estro             o-o                   16
Dadface           1-1                   16
Borg              2-1                   12

I fixed my score as well. +1 point

 

[BobG]

Netherlands - Slovakia (2 - 0)
Brazil - Chili (2 - 0)

 

[ViewsofMars]

I'm only interested in Brazil winning.

Brazil - Chili (4 - 1)

 

[Office_Shredder]

Am I the only one bothered by the continual insistence in the media that Ghana is Africa's white knight in the tournament? I'm not going to turn the TV on the cheer on Mexico as the last North American team; I can't imagine that everyone in Africa is desperately hoping that Ghana wins their next game. Unfortunately Africa doesn't have American media, so we don't have ten thousand online polls informing us of their opinion

 

[zomgwtf]

Am I the only one bothered by the continual insistence in the media that Ghana is Africa's white knight in the tournament? I'm not going to turn the TV on the cheer on Mexico as the last North American team; I can't imagine that everyone in Africa is desperately hoping that Ghana wins their next game. Unfortunately Africa doesn't have American media, so we don't have ten thousand online polls informing us of their opinion

Uh the vast majority of Africans are definitely supporting Ghana... You from Canada around the GTA? Go check out Jane and Wilson after/during a game. All those Africans aren't just Ghanaian.

EDIT: Actually I think you're a white American. Obviously you aren't going to go and cheer on Mexico as the lasst remaining team from North America. I hardly expect you to understand what goes in Africa since white Americans always compare the rest of the population of the world to what goes on in their nation.

 

[ViewsofMars]

Am I the only one bothered by the continual insistence in the media that Ghana is Africa's white knight in the tournament? I'm not going to turn the TV on the cheer on Mexico as the last North American team; I can't imagine that everyone in Africa is desperately hoping that Ghana wins their next game. Unfortunately Africa doesn't have American media, so we don't have ten thousand online polls informing us of their opinion

Uh the vast majority of Africans are definitely supporting Ghana... You from Canada around the GTA? Go check out Jane and Wilson after/during a game. All those Africans aren't just Ghanaian.

EDIT: Actually I think you're a white American. Obviously you aren't going to go and cheer on Mexico as the lasst remaining team from North America. I hardly expect you to understand what goes in Africa since white Americans always compare the rest of the population of the world to what goes on in their nation.

You two are spoiling my fun! This is the first time I’ve done this poll stuff.
As I stated in post #319:

I'm only interested in Brazil winning.

Brazil - Chili (4 - 1)

By the way zomgwtf, I am an American. Born and raised in America. I’m Irish, French, German, and Latin. Yeah, I'm a white American, but I'm San Tropez tan now since I've been sun bathing at the beach. Color of a person has nothing to do with sports as far as I am concerned.

 

[zomgwtf]

Brazil is a huge national soccer team. People from everywhere cheer them on regardless of nationality. That comes as no surprise either. As well it's not colour that I was talking about, it was culture.

 

[Borek]

Junior just sent me these links:

http://i.imgur.com/C4XYT.png

From the top:

Optical illusions
right orange circle looks to be larger
parallel lines look as if they were skewed
elephants look as if they were of different sizes
ball looks as if it were behind goal line

http://i.imgur.com/Tj5ie.jpg

 

[ViewsofMars]

Brazil is a huge national soccer team. People from everywhere cheer them on regardless of nationality. That comes as no surprise either. As well it's not colour that I was talking about, it was culture.

I wouldn't describe culture as a color. You did say to zomgwtf, "Actually I think you're a white American. Obviously you aren't going to go and cheer on Mexico as the lasst remaining team from North America. I hardly expect you to understand what goes in Africa since white Americans always compare the rest of the population of the world to what goes on in their nation." I am rooting for Brazil because I have *friends* from Brazil that are Brazilian. I'll leave it at that. I was having fun on this topic until now. Good day.

 

[estro]

Brazil 1 - 2 Chile

 

[steveng2010]

Been watching the World Cup 2010 since the beginning and was sorry to see USA go out in the first game of round of 16.

However it looks like Argentina will be the team to beat in this series.

With no North American teams to root for I will be watching the Argentines closely.

 

[zomgwtf]

I wouldn't describe culture as a color. You did say to zomgwtf, "Actually I think you're a white American. QUOTE]

Right because African-American culture is the same as white American culture. Don't be naive. White American is a colour AND a culture. I'm pretty sure it was clear I was talking about the culture aspect when I started talking about AFRICANS, since that's not a colour. Or do you just assume all Africans are black?

 

[Monique]

Let's just stop assuming things. I've seen many people cheering for Ghana, if that makes them happy, why not.

Tomorrows matches:
Paraguay - Japan (1-0)
Spain - Portugal (2-0)

 

[Borg]

Paraguay - Japan (1 - 1 in regulation) Final (2 - 1)
Spain - Portugal (2 - 1)

 

[Dadface]

Paraguay-Japan(1,2)
Spain-Portugal(2,1)

 

[estro]

Paraguay - Japan (1-2)
Spain - Portugal (1-1) [Portugal wins in penalties]

 

[BobG]

Paraguay - Japan (2-0)
Spain - Portugal (1-0)

I would have been real interested to hear what the referee and the assistant referee said to each other after the first Argentinian goal yesterday. You know the center referee just couldn't believe Tevez could possibly have been onside.

Really strange game after that. I couldn't believe there was no card for the two handed shove (nor could I believe Ian Darte's commentary on it). Plus whatever the heck was going on near the tunnel at halftime.

Bad call and Mexico responded with a total meltdown. England at least has a beef about their call. Sure they got burnt on break-aways at the end, but at least they were still plugging away at finding a tying goal.

 

[D H]

Paraguay - Japan (1-0)
Spain - Portugal (1-0)

 

[zomgwtf]

Paraguay - Japan (1-0)
Spain - Portugal (2-1)

Hmm Spain/Portugal not sure what to make of it both are great teams, I'm sure Spain will win but the score? Not so sure about that one lol ,

 

[Gokul43201]

Haven't been around for a while. What has been decided about overtime/penalty shoot-outs?

 

[Gokul43201]

Wow! That was heart-breaking!

 

[zomgwtf]

Haven't been around for a while. What has been decided about overtime/penalty shoot-outs?

Guess the score for entire game + overtime. If it goes to penalty shots then it's counted as a draw. I think at least.

So todays game Japan/Paraguay was 0-0 tie.

 

[BobG]

Guess the score for entire game + overtime. If it goes to penalty shots then it's counted as a draw. I think at least.

So todays game Japan/Paraguay was 0-0 tie.

And no paradinhos and no sports bras. I guess they save the sports bras for the final?

 

[Mr.Penguin]

Any picks on the Germany vs. Netherlands game?

 

[Monique]

Germany vs Netherlands?

My predictions for the friday games:
Netherlands - Brazil (0 - 2)
Uruguay - Ghana (1 - 0)

 

[KalamMekhar]

I am a little late, but I believe from the 28', to the 70' in the Ger - Eng. game was one of the greatest games I have watched since the 07-08 champions league championship match!

 

[Gokul43201]

Results for 28th & 29th :

Netherlands - Slovakia (2-1)
Brazil - Chile (3-0)
Paraguay - Japan (0-0)
Spain - Portugal (1-0)

Using the scoring system described in zomg's post (#338) above:

Scoring Table

Member      June 28+29 Score      Cumulative Score
-----------------------------------------------------
Monique           2+1                   32
D H               2+2                   30
Bob               2+2                   29
cristo            3+1                   28
zomgwtf           3+1                   26
Dadface           1+1                   18
Borg              3+1                   16
estro             o+0                   16

Please make sure scores are accurate.

 

[BobG]

Netherlands-Brazil (1-3)
Uruguay-Ghana (2-0)

 

[zomgwtf]

Netherlands - Brazil (1-2)
Uruguay - Ghana (1-1) (Ghana winning in shootout HOPEFULLY)

Blackstarsss!

 

[Mr.Penguin]

All of you will be wrong.
Netherlands vs. Brazil (0-3)
Uruguay vs. Ghana (1-0)

Let's see who gets the most right. I'm going to go watch the games now.

 

[Mr.Penguin]

oops, got the names mixed up Brazil-Chile
sorry

 

[Gokul43201]

Let's see who gets the most right. I'm going to go watch the games now.

Now? That must be an awfully long pre-game show!

 

[Dembadon]

Wow! That was heart-breaking!

Japan vs. Paraguay, or Spain vs. Portugal?

My grandparents (on my father's side) are from Vila Real, Portugal. I am, indeed, heart-broken. They played very well, though.

Edit: Nevermind; I just noticed the time of your post.

 

[Borg]

Netherlands - Brazil (1 - 2)
Uruguay - Ghana (2 - 0)