Displacement of the node, superposition of forces

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The discussion focuses on calculating the displacement of node 4 in a structural system using superposition of forces. Participants suggest breaking down the problem into stages, starting with treating the vertical beam as a lever and calculating the slope at the connection point with the horizontal beam. There is a specific emphasis on determining the slope of the horizontal beam and ensuring correct sign conventions when applying superposition. Questions arise regarding the assumptions needed for accurate calculations, particularly for the middle node's displacement. The conversation highlights the importance of geometry and the correct application of formulas in structural analysis.
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Homework Statement


Hi,
I was wondering if anybody has an idea how to divide the forces on this structure to get the dispacement of the node 4.
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2. Formulas
I would like to solve this task by superpositioning forces working on different elements of the construction. (note different EI)
using basic values for basic beams:
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The Attempt at a Solution


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? should it be devided like this?
but then, how would i consider displacement at the node 2?
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Proceed in six stages :

(1) Treat the vertical beam initially as just a lever which is applying a bending moment to the horizontal beam at the point where the two join .

(2) Work out the slope of the horizontal beam at the point where the two join .

(3) From that slope work out the displacement of the bottom of the vertical beam using geometry .

(4) Now treat the vertical beam as a cantilever fixed at the top to some fictional rigid structure .

(5) Work out the deflection caused by the load applied at the bottom end .

(6) Add the deflection from (3) to the deflection from (5) to get the total deflection .
 
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ok. I understand, however I have a question how to get the slope of the horizontal beam. Can I divide this beam into 4 elements like this:
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You can use superposition for this simple problem .

Work out the slope due to the distributed load and to the lever moment separately and add them together . Pay attention to signs when doing this .
 
I guess I made some wrong superposition assumptions considering case 3,4. Could u please tell me, what kind of assumptions should i do to get the final displacement in this middle node. This task has to be solved using superposition of forces
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Your M as shown in top diagram is turning the wrong way .

You need to work out the slope at the joining point not the vertical deflection .
 
Yes. I agree. On the top diagram it is just the exaple of how forces work in case of my beam. In case 2 i take the moment with correct sign.
i will try to find the formulas for calculating the change of the slope depending on the position of x. cause i need it for my case 3, where i want to calculate the angle in the middle of the beam.
 

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