Distance between equilibrium and nonequilibrium states

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the measurement of the distance between equilibrium and nonequilibrium states in many-body quantum systems. Participants explore various proposals and concepts related to this topic, including diagonal entropy and other measures in thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the effectiveness of using diagonal entropy as a measure of nonequilibrium and wonders if there are flaws in this approach.
  • Another participant shares links to papers discussing diagonal entropy and its implications in quantum systems.
  • A different participant expresses interest in a specific hypothesis from one of the referenced papers, indicating a positive reception to the ideas presented.
  • Participants mention the use of trace norm to quantify the difference between density operators in equilibrium and nonequilibrium states.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of the term "equilibrium" in the context of quantum systems, with a reference to a specific paper that defines equilibrium based on momentum distribution averaging.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the measures of nonequilibrium, with some supporting the use of diagonal entropy while others raise concerns. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to quantify the distance from equilibrium.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential flaws in the proposed measures, the dependence on specific definitions of equilibrium, and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in these measurements.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and students interested in nonequilibrium quantum systems, thermodynamics, and the mathematical frameworks used to describe these concepts may find this discussion relevant.

Billy Yang
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Recently, the properties of nonequilibrium many-body quantum systems have aroused great curiosity of physicists. Numerous papers have been published about this area. But how do we measure how far the system is from equilibrium states?

There are several proposals have been published, for example, using the heat which has been negated or using diagonal entropy. I am wondering whether using diagonal entropy to measure nonequilibrium has some flaws.

In thermodynamics, is there a measure to describe the distance between equilibrium and nonequilibrium?

Thanks so much!
 
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Thanks for your response. After carefully viewing this paper, I found the hypothesis in this paper is interesting. Thanks again.
 
:-) Good papers. Do you think the term equilibrium for a quantum system is weird? In Rigol's paper, PRL, 98, 050405, the measure for a quantum system to reach equilibrium is whether the momentum distribution becomes averaged.
 

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