Do 3 dimensional matrices exist?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of three-dimensional matrices, exploring their existence and potential applications. Participants consider various contexts, including theoretical frameworks and practical examples, such as holographic storage and calendar representations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Rob K expresses curiosity about the existence and applications of 3D matrices, linking the idea to holographic hard disk storage.
  • Some participants suggest looking into tensors as a related concept that encompasses higher-dimensional representations.
  • A participant provides a calendar example to illustrate a potential use of three-dimensional matrices, representing dates in a structured format.
  • Another participant argues that the calendar example actually motivates a four-dimensional representation rather than three-dimensional.
  • There are suggestions for exploring tensor products of matrices to understand multilinear representations and their relation to n-dimensions.
  • Participants share resources, including a guide on tensors, to aid in understanding the topic further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relevance of tensors to the discussion of three-dimensional matrices, but there is disagreement regarding the appropriateness of the calendar example as a representation of 3D matrices, with some arguing it is more suited to 4D.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying interpretations of dimensionality and applications, with some assumptions about the definitions of matrices and tensors that remain unresolved.

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Hi,

I was just wondering, as I find matrices fascinating, I don't know why, but I was wondering if there was ever a use for 3D ones and if so what would be their application? It just occurred to me as I was reading about holographic hard disc storage.

Curiously

Rob K
 
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You should read up on tensors.
 
A simpler example is a calendar, where each page holds the days of a month. The days are arranged in rows of seven days, and each month has four to six rows, not all of which are full.

For example, today's date is Jan. 13, 2012. If we agree that the year is understood to be 2012, we could identify today's date by its position in the week, the week of the month, and the month. So instead of representing it as 1/13, we could represent it as <6, 2, 1>, with 6 being the 6th day of the week, 2 for the 2nd week, and 1 for the first month.

I'm not putting this out there as an improvement on the current scheme for writing dates, but rather as a simple example for motivating three-dimensional matrices.
 
Mark44 said:
I'm not putting this out there as an improvement on the current scheme for writing dates, but rather as a simple example for motivating three-dimensional matrices.

That motivates 4-D not 3-D. There are only 12 calenders in our system: the calendar that starts on Monday, another that starts with Tuesday, and so on, giving 7. Then double because you need the leap years.

So we have <day of the week, week of the month, month of the year, calendar type>
 
Hey RobK.

Following on what micromass said above, I think you should look at tensor products of matrices. This will help you understand how we create multilinear representations of matrices which allow you to see how we do it for n-dimensions.
 
micromass said:
You should read up on tensors.

Any recommendations on books for learning tensors?
 

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