Do electrons move in an electric field or in a conductor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the movement of electrons in an electric field versus their behavior in a conductor, exploring concepts related to electric fields, electromagnetic waves, and electron drift. The scope includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications regarding electricity and wave propagation in conductors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the electric field is responsible for getting electrons moving, with one mentioning that in AC, an electromagnetic wave travels along the wire.
  • Others emphasize that it is the charge being drifted by a voltage, distinguishing between the movement of charge along a wire and the electromagnetic wave that surrounds it.
  • One participant notes that the electromagnetic wave travels along the outside of the conductor and that the conductor acts as a waveguide, particularly in the context of insulated conductors affecting wave speed.
  • Another participant raises a point about resistance being influenced by the dimensions of the wire and questions the penetration of electromagnetic waves into conductors, suggesting that this is how radio interference is mitigated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electron movement and the role of electromagnetic waves, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of electricity and the behavior of electromagnetic waves in conductors, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

Symmetry777
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Is this correct?

“The force that gets the electrons moving is the electric field. In AC, it is actually an electromagnetic wave traveling along the wire. Note that the electrons not only react to the electromagnetic field, but also are sources; the oscillating electrons themselves emit electromagnetic waves which in part cause an effective slowdown of the traveling wave, and in part just get emitted from the wire (the wire effectively acts as antenna).”

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Yes, electrons move in a conductor. Electron drift rate will soon be an exercise in your basic physics class.
 
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Well yes but really it is charge that is being drifted by a voltage. There are 2 types of electricity:the charge moving along a wire and the electromagnetic wave surrounding that charge as it moves along the wire.
 
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Jewish_Vulcan said:
Well yes but really it is charge that is being drifted by a voltage.

google electron drift --- the electrons really do just drift
Jewish_Vulcan said:
There are 2 types of electricity:the charge moving along a wire and the electromagnetic wave surrounding that charge as it moves along the wire.

2 types ... not in the way you are suggesting
Also the EM wave travels along the outside of the conductor ... The conductor only acts as a waveguide
This becomes apparent when with a insulated conductor, where a decrease in the speed of the EM wave is observed
and as a result insulated conductors have an associated velocity factor which is primarily governed by the type and thickness of the insulation

Dave
 
the resistance is impacted by the dimensions of the wire itself, of course it flows on the outside! why would electromagnetic waves be able to penetrate a conductor, that is how radio interference is prevented...
 
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