Do Fundamental Particles Experience Heat?

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Heat is defined as a macroscopic quantity resulting from the excited energy states of fundamental particles, which do not possess temperature themselves. Neutrons, while not fundamental particles, can exhibit thermal properties when in motion, such as in a neutron star. Fundamental particles are considered point particles, lacking shape or internal structure, and thus do not have thermal properties in the traditional sense. The concept of temperature arises from the collective motion of particles rather than from individual particles themselves. Overall, heat is experienced as radiation on a macroscopic scale rather than as a property of the particles.
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Heat is a product of excited energy states of the fundamental particles that make up atoms, correct?
So do the particles, themselves, get "hot" - or is heat just experienced as radiation on the macroscopic scale?

Do neutrons, for example, have a thermal property at all?
 
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yes, heat is a macroscopic definition of a change in energy (which can be produced by a particle moving to a less excited state). When you get to a small enough particle, we see heat as only a change in energy. Therefore, the neutrons would get excited, bounce around faster, and produce radiation, but they would not become "warmer".

so, in essence, Heat is only a macroscopic quantity.
 
one_raven said:
Do neutrons, for example, have a thermal property at all?

Wouldn't any particle that was not at absolute zero have a temperature?
 
bland said:
Wouldn't any particle that was not at absolute zero have a temperature?

Fundamental particles do not have a temperature, as temperature is a measure of the internal energy of an object, which is the result of many random motions of its constituent particles. Fundamental particles are not made up of any other particles, so they don't have internal energy.
 
If we divide a particle then we always get smaller particle because it would never become zero ?
 
Thanks UltrafastPED for increasing my knowledge.o:)
 
one_raven said:
So do the particles, themselves, get "hot"

If you have a collection of neutrons, and have them all moving randomly ... then yes, you could define a temperature. This would be appropriate for a neutron star, or perhaps an excited nucleus.

Or considering any collection of fundamental particles - then it is appropriate for the early times of the big bang - and is how many of the estimates are carried out.
 
UltrafastPED said:
Wrong. Please review "elementary particles": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_particle

The first line on the wikipedia page is "In particle physics, an elementary particle or fundamental particle is a particle whose substructure is unknown, thus it is unknown whether it is composed of other particles."

I can be not wrong :smile:
 
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The second a sub structure is found the particle ceases to be considered elementary. Elementary particles are not composed of other particles, by definition. The electron is considered an elementary particle due to evidence and will only be considered non-fundamental if new evidence arises.
 
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Infinite/Zero said:
The first line on the wikipedia page is "In particle physics, an elementary particle or fundamental particle is a particle whose substructure is unknown, thus it is unknown whether it is composed of other particles."

I can be not wrong :smile:

Wikipedia pages on the topic of elementary particles, electroweak theory, Standard model, etc... are fairly poor.
 
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one_raven said:
Heat is a product of excited energy states of the fundamental particles that make up atoms, correct?
So do the particles, themselves, get "hot" - or is heat just experienced as radiation on the macroscopic scale?

Do neutrons, for example, have a thermal property at all?

Worth pointing out that neutrons are not fundamental particles.
 
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If a fundamental particle change shape then it experience heat ?
Fundamental particles also need energy [to maintain there body(structure)] and [exist] ?
 
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They don't have shape or structure. Not as far as researchers can tell. They are point particles. They occupy no, or an infinitesimal amount of volume.
 
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ModusPwnd said:
They don't have shape or structure.
Means we do not know know their shape or structure ?

They are point particles.
Means they are sphere ?

They occupy no.
Means their volume is zero ?
 
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Infinite/Zero said:
Means we do not know know their shape or structure ?
No. Comon... They have no shape or structure means they have no shape or structure. Of course new evidence could change that, but that is the case for all conclusions in science.

Infinite/Zero said:
Means they are sphere ?
No. A point is not a sphere.

Infinite/Zero said:
Means their volume is zero ?

Yes. Or infinitesimal. Ill leave it to the experts to distinguish between those.
 
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ModusPwnd said:
No. A point is not a sphere.

What do you mean by point particles ?
please to me sir. I am confused.
 
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A "point particle" is a mathematical abstraction. It treats the particle as if it were a single point rather than having volume and taking up space.
 
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Thank you Hallsoflvy
 
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