# Do I have enough information to solve this density problem?

Eclair_de_XII

## Homework Statement

"If a soft-drink bottle whose volume is 1.50 L is completely filled with water and then frozen to -10 degrees Celsius, what volume does the ice occupy? Water has a density of 0.997 g/cm^3 at 25 degrees Celsius; ice has a density of 0.917 g/cm^3 at -10 degrees Celsius."

## Homework Equations

D = m/V
D = m/1500 mL
m = x(0.997) + y(0.917)
x + y = 1500 mL
x = 1500 - y

## The Attempt at a Solution

m = (1500 - y)(0.997) + y(0.917)
m = 1495.5 - y0.997 + y0.917
m = 1495.5 - y0.08

I feel like I would need the mass of the bottle's contents or its density in order to proceed. Am I plugging in my numbers wrong?

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Mentor
Question is rather lousy if you ask me. I guess they want you to assume bottle is either elastic enough to expand, or it simply breaks (and all water is converted to ice).

Eclair_de_XII
I agree; my chemistry professor doesn't seem to know what she's talking about.

But do I have enough information to solve for the volume of the ice?

Mentor
Yes. Mass of water doesn't change.

Eclair_de_XII
But I don't know what the mass of the water is...

Mentor
You have enough data to calculate it.

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But I don't know what the mass of the water is...

"If a soft-drink bottle whose volume is 1.50 L is completely filled with water and then frozen to -10 degrees Celsius, what volume does the ice occupy? Water has a density of 0.997 g/cm^3 at 25 degrees Celsius; ice has a density of 0.917 g/cm^3 at 10 degrees Celsius."

Some problems will not spoon-feed you all the data you need for solution. You have to do a little work to find it.

It's not clear how the ice exists at a temperature of 10 degrees Celsius, unless this is a typo which occurred when copying the problem statement.

Eclair_de_XII
If that's the case, then wouldn't the ice take up the whole bottle since it can't be two different temperatures?

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If that's the case, then wouldn't the ice take up the whole bottle since it can't be two different temperatures?
That wasn't the point I was trying to make, but now that you asked it ...

What happens to ice when the temperature is greater than 0 degrees Celsius?

(Hint: What is the freezing point of water?)

Eclair_de_XII
The freezing point of water is 0 degrees Celsius, isn't it?

If it's greater, then it starts to melt?

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The freezing point of water is 0 degrees Celsius, isn't it?

If it's greater, then it starts to melt?
Yes. So the density of ice at 10 degrees Celsius seems to cover an impossible situation.

Eclair_de_XII
It's not clear how the ice exists at a temperature of 10 degrees Celsius, unless this is a typo which occurred when copying the problem statement.

I'm sorry for not pointing this out earlier, but this is correct.

Mentor
If that's the case, then wouldn't the ice take up the whole bottle since it can't be two different temperatures?

Eclair_de_XII
Okay, 1.50 L of water (at 25 degrees Celsius) is poured into water. It has a mass of m = 1500(0.997) = 1495.5 g. This mass does not change, even when the water is frozen. However, its volume of the water does change as it turns to ice? Given that the density of ice is 0.917 g/mL, I can calculate the volume from that and the mass.

m = 1495.5
1495.5 = V(0.917)
V = 1495.5/0.917
V = 1630.862 mL

Mentor
And that would be my approach to solving the question.