Programs Do I Need a 4 Year Degree to Get into MIT or Harvard?

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Starting a physics program at the University of Toronto raises questions about the necessity of a four-year honors degree for admission to top U.S. graduate schools like MIT or Harvard. While some believe a three-year program with strong grades might suffice, others emphasize the advantages of a four-year degree, including the opportunity for undergraduate research and a broader course selection. Graduate schools often consider marks from the second-last year, making a longer program potentially more beneficial for academic performance. Additionally, focusing on research experience during summers is recommended over taking extra classes. Overall, investing the extra year in a comprehensive education is viewed as a strategic choice for future academic success.
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I'll be starting my physics program next week at U of Toronto but I am debating one thing, to get accepted into a top university in the USA ( mit or harvard ) for graduate studies, would i require to take a 4 year honors program or will a 3 year program suffice with good enough marks?

As a side note, how long does it take to get a Msc and a Phd (average)

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4 years at UFT...unless your able to cram all those requirements at UFT into 3 years(which includes summerschool)..though people would say take your time to completely understand what you are learning, doing undergrad research would probably be a plus(especially if you can obtain one fo those NSERC undergrad scholarships for the summer).

MSc(1yr-1.66yr),Phd(2.5-3)..total almost 5 years after undergrad
 
I'm not in Physics, myself, but I recommend taking the extra fourth year.

I don't know about Physics, but for UFT math and CS, the Grad Schools generally only have access to your marks from your *second-last* year -- so if you only take 3 years, they'll be looking at your second year marks.

If you take 4 years, you'll be able to take numerous extra courses, and spread out your workload and degree sufficiently.
 
how about summer courses? if i do a 4 year programme in 3 years that will allow me 3 summers to take courses. wouldn't it be even it out?
 
matthieulabelle said:
how about summer courses? if i do a 4 year programme in 3 years that will allow me 3 summers to take courses. wouldn't it be even it out?

IT is a more wise investment to spend your summers getting research experience than it is to take classes.
 
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