Do I need a feedback card to acquire motor RPM from a VFD?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a feedback card is necessary to obtain the RPM of a motor controlled by a DURApulse GS3 series VFD. Participants explore the implications of using the feedback card in relation to controlling motor speed and accuracy, particularly in the context of integrating with Labview and MODBUS for data acquisition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the necessity of a feedback card for obtaining motor RPM and seeks clarification on its main purpose and application scenarios.
  • Another participant explains that the feedback card allows for a closed loop controller, where feedback is used to correct speed errors, thus enhancing accuracy.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the VFD has configurable inputs and outputs that can provide a 0-10V speed output, which can be translated into RPM without needing the feedback card.
  • Another participant mentions that if the precision required is known, the frequency output of the VFD might suffice, especially if the design slip factor of the motor is considered.
  • Some VFDs may offer conversion calculations to display motor RPM based on input parameters, which could eliminate the need for a feedback card.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the necessity of the feedback card, with some arguing it is essential for accuracy while others believe the VFD's existing features may be adequate. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for obtaining RPM feedback.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors that could influence the decision, such as the required precision, the design slip factor of the motor, and the capabilities of the VFD. There are also references to potential limitations in accuracy based on the clock frequency of the digital controller.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers and technicians working with variable frequency drives, particularly those interested in motor control applications and data acquisition systems using Labview and MODBUS.

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The VFD I plan on using;
DURApulse GS3 series AC drive: https://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/gs3drives.pdf
Model: GS3-22P0

The feedback card accessory for the VFD: https://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/gs3fb.pdf

Hi everyone, I would like to know if I need this feedback card to obtain RPM of a motor that is being wired using the VFD specified above. I plan on controlling a 3 phase motor with the program Labview. I will be using MODBUS to communicate between the VFD and Labview.

The end goal of my project is to plot the force of a load cell with respect to an increasing motor RPM so I was wondering how to get the RPM feedback from the motor. What exactly is the main purpose of this feedback card? In what kind of applications would this card be needed?
 
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belae1ka said:
What exactly is the main purpose of this feedback card?
You can make a closed loop controller.
The feedback is subtracted from the feed forward signal, which results in a speed ( or acceleration or position ) error.
This error is integrated, increasing or decreasing the torque, until the speed is accurate ( error = 0 ).
A digital controller will give you a speed, that is as accurate as the crystal controlling the clock frequency in your controller ( measured in parts per million ( ppm ) ).
 
belae1ka said:
Hi everyone, I would like to know if I need this feedback card to obtain RPM of a motor that is being wired using the VFD specified above.
No, it comes with multiple configurable inputs and outputs. You can get a 0-10V speed output, which you can translate into RPM.
 
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Depending on the precision required, If you know the design slip factor of the motor, (based on load, read AMPS) Frequency output of the VFD may be close enough.

Some VFD's offer "conversion" calculations to display "motor RPM" based on similar input.
 
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