Do Large Generators Really Use Permanent Magnets?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of permanent magnets versus electromagnets in large generators, particularly in the context of power plants. Participants explore the implications for efficiency, power generation, and voltage regulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant teaches about basic generator principles and questions whether large power plant generators use permanent magnets or electromagnets for the magnetic field.
  • Another participant asserts that the magnetic field in these generators is typically produced by an electromagnet, which allows for voltage regulation through current variation.
  • A different participant raises a question about the practicality and efficiency of using permanent magnets compared to electromagnets in generators and motors.
  • One participant references a source claiming that permanent magnet synchronous generators may have higher efficiency than wound rotor types, while also noting potential issues with permanent magnet synchronous generators.
  • There is mention of advancements in high energy permanent magnets, such as Nd2Fe14B, which may enhance the competitiveness of permanent magnet synchronous generators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the use of permanent magnets versus electromagnets, with some supporting the use of electromagnets for voltage regulation and others highlighting the advantages of permanent magnets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall efficiency and practicality of each type.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the assumptions behind efficiency comparisons or the specific conditions under which each type of generator operates, leaving some aspects of the discussion open to interpretation.

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I frequently teach my students about how basic generators work (motional EMFs, Faraday's Law, magnetic flux, etc.).

Question: do the generators used at large power plants really use a permanent magnet as a source of the magnetic field?

I was thinking that maybe an electromagnet might be used as the source, but I'm not sure. Plus I'm thinking that providing the electricity to this kind of electromagnet might significantly offset the generated electical energy that is produced.
 
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The field is an electromagnet. This is the way the voltage is regulated by varying the current in the field.
 
For generators and motors, how practical is using a permanent magnet with repsect to an electromagnet? In other words, how does the efficiency and power generation compare?
 
I found this http://www.windturbines.net/wiki/Synchronous_Generators". The author(s) of that page have claimed higher efficiency for permanent magnet synchronous generators than for the wound rotor type. But there are other issues with permanent magnet synchronous generators.

I have read the development of high energy permanent magnets (such as Nd2Fe14B magnets) have made permanent magnet synchronous generators more competitive with other types of generator.
 
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