Do trapezium angles have to equal 360 degrees?

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The discussion revolves around the angles of a trapezium (or quadrilateral) and whether they must equal 360 degrees. Participants explore the implications of the shape's properties, including its potential classification as a parallelogram and the effects of curvature on angle sums. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning, practical surveying considerations, and attempts to calculate angles based on given dimensions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a land survey with specific dimensions and expresses confusion over claims that the shape is a parallelogram, which would imply the angles must add to 360 degrees.
  • Another participant suggests that any four-sided figure can be divided into two triangles, leading to the conclusion that the internal angles must sum to 360 degrees.
  • A participant shares measurements of angles derived from the survey, indicating uncertainty about their accuracy and the overall angle calculations.
  • One post questions the goal of the calculations and notes that if the figure's sides are not parallel, there may not be enough information to determine angles or area.
  • Another participant proposes a method to calculate angles using a parallel line grid and expresses doubt about the total angle sum due to the shape's curvature.
  • A later reply states that while the angles of a typical quadrilateral add up to 360 degrees, a concave shape may result in a total slightly greater than 360 degrees, suggesting that surveying techniques are necessary for accurate measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the angles of a standard quadrilateral sum to 360 degrees, but there is disagreement regarding the specific case of the trapezium in question, particularly due to its curvature and classification as concave. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact angle measurements and implications of the shape's properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of angle measurements and the implications of the shape's curvature on the total angle sum. There are also limitations in the information provided, particularly concerning the parallelism of the sides and the methods available for calculating angles.

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The four sided, a=110.50 ft, b=165.27, c=162.18, and d=a slightly curved line of 146. ft--
(from point to point, it still seems to be 146 feet,) anyway---This from a land survey---I believe the distances of width, center point and (height) can "prove" by the angles. The people I have been talking to claim it is a parallelogram. (professionals) and told me the corners have to add to 360 degrees---I will post an image. I am confused by the math of the people I have been speaking with.
 
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You can always draw a line to turn a four sided figure into 2 triangles.
Since triangle's (on a flat plane) internal angles add to 180 and you have two of them - it must add to 360deg.
 
I only know one angle. The angle of the 110.50 ft and the 165.27 feet, is stated to be
121 degrees 11-----I tried to measure the lines on the survey to get the other angles--
they appear to be, between the 165.27 ft and 162.18 ft -- 59 1/2 ----then between the 162.18 and the 146 ft., the angle of 102 1/2 then between the 146 ft and the 110.50 seems to be 76 1/2.--or if measured on the arc-not point to point, 78 1/2---I am still trying to locate this diagram file.
 
attached a mini map shape----I am new here, hope it attaches to this post---I would like to be able to calc the angles from the distances shown, however, I seem to be
blocked on this.
 

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What are actually trying to work out?

ps if the two horizontal lines are parallel you are ok, otherwise you don't have enough information to calculate the area or angles. Picture it as four rods hinged at the ends, you can push them ito different shapes without changing the lenghts.
 
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Calculate the angles and from a centerpoint in the parallel line area of the diagram, draw a parallel line grid, (measured approx. 143 3/4 feet across) and then find the centerpoint distance from top to bottom. Then prove the distances from all sides and angles-like a line star.--My surveyor had asked me this question about the angles have to add up to 360 degrees, and I said yes-but I think I was wrong, including the curve, the angle total would have to be a couple of degrees more
 
The four angles of any quadrilateral, i.e., 4-sided figures with straight line segments as sides, will add up to 360.

However, your shape is concave-out along one side -- Hill-something-or-other-- so the angles will add up to something slightly larger than 360. I'm afraid that the only way to determine the actual angles along that side, is by straightforward surveying techniques. Do you have a sextant handy?
 

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