Do wave-packets of Blochwaves spread over time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of wave-packets constructed from Bloch waves in the context of electronic transport and Bloch oscillations. Participants explore whether these wave-packets spread or disperse over time, referencing theoretical frameworks and existing literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether wave-packets of Bloch waves spread over time, particularly in relation to Bloch oscillations.
  • One participant expresses a belief that individual electrons remain in eigenstates of the Hamiltonian, suggesting that their wavefunctions do not form superpositions or wave-packets.
  • Another participant references Ashcroft and Mermin's "Solid State Physics," indicating that it discusses the semiclassical model of electrons as wave packets of Bloch electrons.
  • One participant speculates that the behavior of Bloch wave packets may be similar to that of free particles, implying potential spreading of the wavefunction over time.
  • Contrarily, another participant asserts that Bloch wave packets do not disperse, arguing that dispersion would alter the properties of conductors over time.
  • Another participant claims that free electrons are a specific case of Bloch electrons, suggesting that in general, Bloch wave packets do disperse.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the interpretation of Bloch wavefunctions, questioning whether they represent individual electrons or the entire solid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express conflicting views on whether wave-packets of Bloch waves spread over time. Some assert that they do not disperse, while others argue that they do, indicating a lack of consensus on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference theoretical models and literature, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of wave-packets and the implications of their behavior in different contexts.

Abigale
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Hi,
to describe electronic transport and for example bloch oscillations, one uses a wave-packet build of bloch waves (with a band index n and an effective mass m*).

Do these wave-packets of blochwaves also spread (disperse) over time?
 
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Abigale said:
Hi,
to describe electronic transport and for example bloch oscillations, one uses a wave-packet build of bloch waves (with a band index n and an effective mass m*).

Do these wave-packets of blochwaves also spread (disperse) over time?
Could you please give a reference? My limited experience so far has been different. I always assumed each individual electron was in an eigenstate of the Hamiltonian operator at all times, and as such its wavefunction was never a superposition of eigenstates (or a wave-packet). I have never seen a wavepacket made of Bloch oscillations so far, but I'd really be interested in knowning the answer to your question, so please give some reference that I can look up.
 
Hi sure,

in Ashcroft Mermin "Solid State Physics".
Chapter 12 "Description of the Semiclassical Model" deals with the description of electrons by wave packets of Bloch Electrons.

Would be nice if you could explain me if it also spreads...
 
Abigale said:
Hi sure,

in Ashcroft Mermin "Solid State Physics".
Chapter 12 "Description of the Semiclassical Model" deals with the description of electrons by wave packets of Bloch Electrons.

Would be nice if you could explain me if it also spreads...
Thanks, at a first quick glance my guess is that the case is no different than the case of a free particle. I.e. there should be a spread of the wavefunction with time.
Nevertheless, it seems possible to use some tricks to prevent the spreading of the wavefunction (described there: http://www.itp.ac.cn/~suncp/papers/PR/PRA06-3.pdf) by using a magnetic field and considering a zero momentum Gaussian wave packet.
 
Abigale said:
Hi,
to describe electronic transport and for example bloch oscillations, one uses a wave-packet build of bloch waves (with a band index n and an effective mass m*).

Do these wave-packets of blochwaves also spread (disperse) over time?

It doesn't.

First of all, think of what happens if it does. It means that your conductor will be behaving differently 2 seconds later when you measure its properties, because the charge carriers have "disperses" over time.

The Bloch wave functions are analogous to standing waves. It is the wavefunction for the entire solid, because you are imposing a repeated/periodic boundary condition over the entire space. It is also why there are gaps in the band, because the states representing those wavefunction cannot be sustained by the boundary conditions.

Zz.
 
Free electrons are a special case of Bloch electrons. Hence, in general, Bloch wave packets do disperse.
 
ZapperZ said:
The Bloch wave functions are analogous to standing waves. It is the wavefunction for the entire solid, because you are imposing a repeated/periodic boundary condition over the entire space.
I am not the OP, but I'd like to make sure I am understanding your sentence correctly. A single Bloch wavefunction represents the wavefunction of a single electron, right? By entire solid you mean that this wavefunction extends over the whole solid, not that it represents the wavefunction of all the electrons in that solid, right?
 

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