Do we still carry ancient DNA from our evolutionary ancestors?

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The discussion revolves around the presence of ancient DNA in modern humans and the extent to which our DNA retains information from evolutionary ancestors, particularly in relation to mammals and other species. Participants explore concepts of shared DNA, genetic memory, and the implications of noncoding DNA.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that all life shares a significant percentage of DNA, suggesting that humans retain much from ancestral species.
  • Others argue that much of the shared DNA is in noncoding regions or inactive, questioning the relevance of this shared DNA to functional traits.
  • A participant challenges the claim of having 'relic' DNA from ancient organisms, emphasizing that DNA mutates over time and that homologous proteins exist across diverse species.
  • There is mention of genes related to gill development being present in humans, but participants clarify that these genes are not expressed in a way that would allow for gill formation.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the extent of genetic similarity between humans and other organisms, particularly regarding the functional implications of shared genes.
  • References are shared to support claims about evolutionary origins of certain structures, such as the parathyroid gland and gills, leading to further discussion on gene expression and function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the extent and implications of shared DNA among species. Multiple competing views remain regarding the significance of noncoding DNA, the expression of ancient genes, and the evolutionary relationships between structures in different organisms.

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Limitations include varying interpretations of genetic data, the complexity of gene expression, and the evolutionary context of shared DNA. Participants acknowledge the need for further references and clarification on specific claims.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying evolutionary biology, genetics, and comparative anatomy, as well as individuals curious about the connections between modern species and their ancestors.

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Dose our DNA contain all the old information of the species that our species came from? For example, do we still contain the old DNA of the first mammals, or the reptiles that evolved into the first mammals?
 
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All life on Earth shares something like 98% of DNA. In that regard, we retain almost everything from our ancestral species. There's also genetic memory (instinct) that is more species-specific. Wariness of snakes, for example, is inherent to species who are susceptible to venom. Most mammals share that, but mongooses hunt cobras. Each to his own.
 
However a lot of the shared DNA is in areas that are noncoding or otherwise inactive.
 
I think Danger is overstating the amount of common DNA, but it is certainly true that homologous proteins exist in mammals and yeast, for example. Even so, this is different than claiming humans have 'relic' DNA from when we were flagellates swimming in the ocean. DNA mutates over time. And we have DNA from (hypothesized) extracellular origin: mitochondrial DNA in animals and chloroplast plasmids in plants.
 
Sorry; I meant to say all animal life, and the number has got to be close to that. I haven't a clue as to how much we might share with plants and such.
Coin is correct as well. We have, for instance, the genes to grow gills... but they're clearly not expressed.
 
Can you provide a reference on that? Our current understanding is that less than 2% of our genome codes for proteins, and only 5% of our genome is estimated to be conserved over evolutionary timescales. We are homologous with chimps at the level of 95%, so I would expect similarities between humans and say, Drosophila, to be much lower.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/07/050727062750.htm

In addition, many fish are tetraploid rather than diploid. At the protein level, I have seen people present sequence homologies at the level of 50% and claim the proteins have identical function... at least in terms of model organisms.

I would also be interested to see a reference about 'gill genes' being present in humans. It would be interesting, because one would not only need gills, but the entire respiratory system would need to be adjusted- anatomically and physiologically. Your statement would imply there's an entire group of silenced genes.
 
Here you go.
Our results demonstrate that the parathyroid gland of tetrapods and the gills of fish most likely share a common evolutionary origin; both express Gcm-2 and require this gene for their formation, and both express PTH and CasR. We thus suggest that the parathyroid gland came into being as the result of the transformation of the gills into the parathyroid glands of tetrapods.

"www.pnas.org/content/101/51/17716.full?ck=nck"[/URL]
 
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Hey- that's cool!

I wouldn't say that means humans have genes to 'grow gills', tho... we have genes to grow parathyroids. :)
 
I might be mistaken about this, since I'm not a biologist, but it appears to me that the same genes are there, but are expressed differently.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
In addition, many fish are tetraploid rather than diploid. At the protein level, I have seen people present sequence homologies at the level of 50% and claim the proteins have identical function... at least in terms of model organisms.

Try the wacky http://www.nature.com/emboj/journal/v19/n8/abs/7593003a.html" from Thermus Thermophilus. Less than 20% homology and proven to have the same function! (It's less efficient though, but the gene is only expressed at low oxygen levels. Presumably it makes up for its lacking efficiency with higher oxygen affinity)
 
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Danger said:
Here you go.


"www.pnas.org/content/101/51/17716.full?ck=nck"[/URL][/QUOTE]

I got to thank you for showing me this- it's led to several fascinating discussions today. I didn't know about how the parathyroid regulates calcium.
 
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