Do you study organic chemistry before biochemistry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of whether one should study organic chemistry before biochemistry, particularly in the context of self-directed learning and interest in the chemistry of living organisms. Participants explore the relevance and necessity of organic chemistry in understanding biochemistry.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about studying biochemistry without prior knowledge of organic chemistry, questioning the official study order.
  • A biochemist recommends taking introductory organic chemistry first, citing its importance in understanding chemical reactions and functional groups relevant to biochemistry.
  • Another participant, identifying as a chemist, agrees that organic chemistry should precede biochemistry, noting that biochemistry builds on organic chemistry concepts.
  • One participant suggests that for casual learning focused on the functioning of living things, one might skip both organic and biochemistry in favor of a cellular and molecular biology text, which includes basic biochemistry without extensive organic chemistry content.
  • A later post asserts that organic chemistry is an absolute prerequisite for serious study in biochemistry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that organic chemistry is important for understanding biochemistry, but there is disagreement on whether it is necessary for casual learning or if one can skip it in favor of other resources.

Contextual Notes

Some participants emphasize the foundational role of organic chemistry in understanding biochemical processes, while others propose alternative pathways for learning that may not require a formal study of organic chemistry.

Femme_physics
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My studies have nothing to do with biology, but I'm just a curious gal so I thought to pick up some ebooks or whatever. I got a good biology base and a good chemistry base, but I never tackled anything in the realm of organic chemistry. I'm more interested in learning about the chemistry of living things than organic chemistry in general and what we can do with it. I'm not sure what's the official study order. Should I take on organic chemistry first or can I start right away with biochemistry?
 
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As a biochemist, I would recommend taking introductory organic chemistry before taking biochemistry. Organic chemistry introduces you to many concepts about chemical reactions that are important to know for biochemistry. For example, organic chemistry will give you a sense of the basic properties and reactivities of many functional groups in chemistry. This knowledge is essential to understanding the properties of the various biomolecules you will encounter in biochemistry. Similarly organic chemistry teaches the basics of understanding chemical reaction mechanisms, such as the concepts of nucleophiles and electrophiles, and how to "push electrons" to understand why one functional group will react with another. Without this basic knowledge, it would be very difficult to understand the enzyme mechanisms you learn about in biochemistry.

In essence, if you are interested in the chemistry of living things, organic chemistry (as well as physical chemistry) teaches you the basic set of rules by which biochemical systems work. Biochemistry shows you how these rules are applied in practice inside a living organism.
 
Great post, thank you.
 
dear Femme_physics,

i'm a chemist and my dad was, too. i'd definitely recommend that you take organic chem before biochem, as the latter builds on the former. for what it's worth, my favorite is physical chemistry, especially thermodynamics.

baxishta
 
If you are seeking a deep understanding of the subject matter, I agree with the sequence of organic chemistry followed by biochemistry.

However, if your goal is primarily self erudition and your area of interest is in the functioning of living things, I suggest you skip both organic and biochem and pick up a cellular and molecular biology book, such as Molecular Biology of the Cell (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21054/). Such a text provides enough rudimentary biochemistry material (very little if any organic) to be able to understand the following chapters yet will take you through many more topics of closer relevance to living things. Again, this is not a recommendation for course order, only for the more casual learning that seems closer to how I interpreted your stated goal.
 
Organic chemistry is an absolute prerequisite to studying biochemistry at any serious level.
 

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