Does a charge located in a Faraday's cage creates a field outside the cage?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether a charge located inside a Faraday's cage creates an electric field outside the cage. Participants explore the theoretical implications of Faraday's cage behavior in relation to electrostatic interactions, grounding, and the application of Gauss's law.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a Faraday's cage blocks any electrostatic interaction between its inside and outside, suggesting that no external field is created by internal charges.
  • Others argue that while a Faraday cage shields its interior from external charges, it does not completely shield the outside from internal charges, referencing Gauss's law to support this view.
  • There is a discussion regarding the grounding of Faraday cages, with some participants noting that grounding can affect the behavior of induced charges and the shielding properties.
  • A participant references a correction in Feynman's lectures regarding the grounding of conductors and its implications for electric fields outside a closed conductor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of Faraday cages in shielding external fields from internal charges, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific conditions such as grounding, and there are references to historical corrections in scientific literature that may influence the understanding of the topic.

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Hi everyone,

Well everything is in the title. Answers are not clear on the net and I cannot figure it out myself.
 
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Controversial? Weird...

Answer is: no. Ex definitione - Faraday's cage is a structure totally blocking any elecrostatic interaction between its outside and inside.
 
Yes. Conducting shells (for example, Faraday cages) do shield their insides from external charges, but do not totally shield the outside from internal charges. You can prove this very easily using Gauss's law in integral form and putting a Gaussian surface around the conducing shell. Note that the conducting shell does destroy the internal field pattern, so that if we are outside a conducting shell, all we can know is the total charge inside, but not the distribution of that charge.
 
xts said:
Controversial? Weird...

Answer is: no. Ex definitione - Faraday's cage is a structure totally blocking any elecrostatic interaction between its outside and inside.

I would not say it is controversial (which implies unsettled science), just misunderstood as you have demonstrated. See my comment above.
 
Shouldn't the Faraday's cage be grounded? Maybe that's my misunderstanding...
In such case it shields both ways.
 
xts said:
Shouldn't the Faraday's cage be grounded? Maybe that's my misunderstanding...
In such case it shields both ways.

That's true that if the conducting shell is grounded, then the induced charge on the shell will drain away, and Faraday cages are usually grounded. But I just wanted to point out that that is not always the case.
 
chrisbaird said:
That's true that if the conducting shell is grounded

Ok, thanks. That's exactly what was confusing me.
 
http://www.feynmanlectures.info/flp_errata.html

"Volume II, page 5-9 now says “…no static distribution of charges inside a closed grounded conductor can produce any [electric] fields outside” (the word grounded was omitted in previous editions). This second error was pointed out to Feynman by a number of readers, including Beulah Elizabeth Cox, a student at The College of William and Mary, who had relied on Feynman’s erroneous passage in an exam. To Ms. Cox, Feynman wrote in 1975,[1] “Your instructor was right not to give you any points, for your answer was wrong, as he demonstrated using Gauss’s law. You should, in science, believe logic and arguments, carefully drawn, and not authorities. You also read the book correctly and understood it. I made a mistake, so the book is wrong. I probably was thinking of a grounded conducting sphere, or else of the fact that moving the charges around in different places inside does not affect things on the outside. I am not sure how I did it, but I goofed. And you goofed, too, for believing me.”"
 

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