Does exchange of identical particles lead to new state?

In summary, in quantum mechanics, exchanging identical particles changes the sign of the state, but their properties remain the same.
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Does an exchange of two identifical particles (electrons) lead to a new microscopic state?
 
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No. That's what it means for the particles to be identical!
 
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Exchange of identical fermions changes the sign of the state, but its properties remain the same.,
 
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Jilang's correct. Exchanging identical fermions multiplies the wavefunction by -1. This leads to the Pauli exclusion principle.
You are free to exchange identical bosons at will - nothing changes.
 
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Sorry... But I guess I'm confused by the term "identical" with reference to fermions. Does that imply the same fermion type, with all the same physical attributes with the same location/momentum?
 
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"Identical" here means fermion type. This means, for example, if you exchange two electrons then the wavefunction of the system of those two electrons is multiplied by -1.
The electrons could, therefore, not have been in a completely indistinguishable initial state (as you say, same location/momentum) because if they were absolutely indistinguishable then nothing could possibly change when they are exchanged. Therefore you get the Pauli exclusion principle: two electrons can never be in exactly the same state.

Important to make the distinction between "identical" (i.e., same type) and "indistinguishable".
 
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zhanhai said:
Does an exchange of two identifical particles (electrons) lead to a new microscopic state?
Two things are identical when they have the same properties yet they are two separate objects (at different places).

In physics, identical particles are particles that have the same constant properties (same mass, charge, etc.) but not some other variables (state, like position and momentum). It does not mean "their exchange does not lead to new state" as Avodyne suggests.

In Newtonian mechanics, exchange of two identical particles means the two particles change their states:

First, particle 1 has position ##\mathbf r## and momentum ##\mathbf p## and particle 2 has position ##\mathbf r'## and momentum ##\mathbf p'##.

Then, particle 1 has position ##\mathbf r'## and momentum ##\mathbf p'## and particle 2 has position ##\mathbf r## and momentum ##\mathbf p##. That's what the exchange means. So unless ##\mathbf r = \mathbf r'## and ##\mathbf p'=\mathbf p##, the exchange means the system gets to a new state.

In quantum theory, it is not standard to ascribe particles positions and momenta; not even ascribe them separate states. What one works instead with is global "quantum state" identified with set of functions of two positions ##\mathbf r_1, \mathbf r_2## of the two particles; the functions in the set may differ from each other by a factor ##e^{i\alpha}## with ##\alpha## being any constant real number; they all represent the same quantum state. "Exchange of particles" in this scheme is nothing like the above change of states; it is merely interchanging the arguments in the function:

First, we have function ##\psi(\mathbf r_1,\mathbf r_2) = \phi(\mathbf r_1,\mathbf r_2)##.
Then, we have function ##\psi(\mathbf r_1,\mathbf r_2) = \phi(\mathbf r_2,\mathbf r_1)##

So, if no ##\alpha## could make the expression ##\phi(\mathbf r_2,\mathbf r_1) = e^{i\alpha} \phi(\mathbf r_1,\mathbf r_2)## true, the exchange would change the quantum state.

At this point a new assumption is often introduced; that only those functions ##\phi## that satisfy the last relation are admissible in quantum theory. There are two possibilities how this can happen, ##e^{i\alpha} =1## and ##e^{i\alpha} =-1##. The first possibility means the functions are symmetric, the second means the functions are anti-symmetric.

This assumption is called assumption of indistinguishability, because inspecting the function ##\phi## that satisfies the mentioned relation, we cannot distinguish the two particles; the state is the same whether we put ##\mathbf r_1## or ##\mathbf r_2## the first into the list of arguments ; the quantum state is the same.

 
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Rather than saying, "their exchange leads to a new state" it may be more precise to say, "the possible outcomes (measurement results) of this state include certain pairs of outcomes where the location of the particles are mutually interchanged. The complex amplitudes for the mutually exchanged pair of outcomes are equal (bosons) or opposite in sign (fermions)"
 

Related to Does exchange of identical particles lead to new state?

1. How does the exchange of identical particles lead to a new state?

The exchange of identical particles, also known as particle interchange, can lead to a new state by causing a change in the arrangement or configuration of the particles. This change can result in a different energy level or symmetry of the system, leading to a new state.

2. What is the significance of identical particles in the exchange process?

Identical particles play a crucial role in the exchange process as they follow the laws of quantum mechanics, specifically the Pauli exclusion principle. This principle states that two identical particles cannot occupy the same quantum state, making the exchange process unique and leading to the formation of a new state.

3. Can the exchange of identical particles occur in classical systems?

No, the exchange of identical particles is a quantum phenomenon and cannot occur in classical systems. In classical systems, particles are distinguishable, and their exchange does not have the same consequences as in quantum systems, where particles are indistinguishable.

4. What are some examples of systems where the exchange of identical particles leads to new states?

One example is the exchange of electrons in atoms, which can lead to the formation of different electronic configurations and energy levels. Another example is the exchange of nucleons in atomic nuclei, which can result in different nuclear states and isotopes.

5. How does the exchange of identical particles relate to the concept of symmetry breaking?

The exchange of identical particles can lead to symmetry breaking, where the original symmetry of a system is broken due to the exchange process. This can result in the formation of a new state with a lower symmetry than the original system, leading to new physical properties and behaviors.

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