Does friction in any way increase when the surfaces get very smooth

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between surface smoothness and friction, specifically whether friction can increase when surfaces are very smooth. The conversation touches on concepts related to electromagnetism and cold welding.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether friction increases with very smooth surfaces, citing a teacher's claim about electromagnetism.
  • Another participant suggests researching cold welding, indicating that very smooth surfaces can adhere strongly in a vacuum.
  • A follow-up comment clarifies that the adhesion is due to van der Waals forces and questions whether these forces fall under electromagnetism.
  • One participant asserts that van der Waals forces are indeed a manifestation of electromagnetism at a small scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between surface smoothness, friction, and the role of electromagnetism, with some proposing connections while others seek clarification.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of friction and electromagnetism, as well as the specific conditions under which cold welding occurs, which remain unresolved.

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does friction in any way increase when the surfaces get very smooth ...?

a teacher told us that it can increase due to electromagnetism...is it true...i searched the net but couldn't get any useful info...
 
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arildno said:
Look up on the subject of cold welding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_welding

thanks arildno...i viewed the above linked and learned that when very smooth surfaces are brought together in vacuum they adhere very strongly to each other...but it is due to van der waals forces right?k...this may be a silly question...but does van der waals forces come under electromagnetism...
 


Yes, van der Waals-forces ARE electromagnetism written small.
 

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