Does luminous efficacy differ between direct and reflected sunlight?

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The discussion revolves around whether luminous efficacy differs between direct and reflected sunlight, particularly in terms of energy gain and heat in indoor environments. Participants explore the implications of using direct versus indirect sunlight in rooms with varying window designs and materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that reflected sunlight may have a smaller total energy per luminous flux compared to direct sunlight, potentially leading to less heat gain in shaded rooms.
  • Others argue that the difference in energy gain is primarily due to the reflectivity of the surfaces involved, suggesting that selective filters on reflectors could introduce losses.
  • A participant mentions that most materials reflect visible light better than UV and infrared light, except for metals and specially designed reflectors, which may imply that direct sunlight is generally hotter.
  • There is a discussion about the effectiveness of filtering windows, noting that while they can reduce solar heat gain, they may also prevent heat from escaping, complicating efficiency in certain situations.
  • One participant questions the assertion that most materials reflect visible light better than other wavelengths, indicating a need for data to support this claim.
  • A suggestion is made to look into remote sensing as a method for understanding light reflection and material properties, specifically referencing its application in determining rock surface composition on Mars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors affecting luminous efficacy and heat gain from sunlight, with no consensus reached on the overall impact of direct versus reflected sunlight.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, including the dependence on specific materials, window designs, and environmental conditions. The discussion highlights the need for empirical data to support various claims made about light reflection and heat gain.

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With the total visible light flux being equal does reflected sunlight have a smaller total energy per luminous flux and therefore resulting heat gain than direct sunlight?
With the total visible light flux being equal does reflected sunlight (by the sky, environment or shading/light redirecting surfaces) have a smaller total energy per luminous flux and therefore resulting heat gain than direct sunlight? Possibly caused by a larger luminous efficacy, i.e. more visible em radiation compared to uv and infrared, i.e. "cooler" light.

Meaning that when two similar rooms are equally lit by daylight, one with a small window with direct sunlight and one with a large shaded window with only indirect sunlight. The shaded one would be less hot.
 
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I don’t think there could be any other difference apart from that due to the actual reflectivity of the reflector surface.
If a reflector has a selective filter on its surface then the filter pass band (say the visible region) would probably introduce more loss than a good mirror.
Total internal reflection can be used to minimize losses - as in the prisms in binoculars - but that would be hard to use on a large area reflector.
But if you want ‘cool light’ then a filtering reflector would work and your illumination would not suffer much. People often use Super Glass on large windows which both reduce incoming IR and, in winter, reduce IR heat loss. The slight tint on my conservatory windows is hardly noticeable.
 
sophiecentaur said:
I don’t think there could be any other difference apart from that due to the actual reflectivity of the reflector surface.
If a reflector has a selective filter on its surface then the filter pass band (say the visible region) would probably introduce more loss than a good mirror.
Total internal reflection can be used to minimize losses - as in the prisms in binoculars - but that would be hard to use on a large area reflector.
But if you want ‘cool light’ then a filtering reflector would work and your illumination would not suffer much. People often use Super Glass on large windows which both reduce incoming IR and, in winter, reduce IR heat loss. The slight tint on my conservatory windows is hardly noticeable.
Thanks for you reply! As far as I know, most materials reflect visible light better than (uv and) infrared light, except from metals and specially designed reflectors. Therefore, direct sunlight should generally be hotter than redirected sunlight per quantity of visible light. For example only letting light in that is reflected by the pavement or surrounding buildings/plants etc This may be less efficient than filtering reflectors, but does strengthen the concept of limiting direct sunlight exposure. However, I can't find any confirmation of this or any papers stating this.

As far as filtering windows, you are totally right, different windows have different solar heat gain coefficients. However it does have some disadvantages in certain situations, because these also reflect infrared radiation back from the inside. This means that heat can't escape and for example visible light that is absorbed and radiated as infrared can't leave. Making it less efficient than filtering light before entering a window. Therefore different windows have different amounts of filtering capacities, which you'd have to calculate when designing a building, but this is a bit off topic.
 
IR filtering glass is a ‘sum gain’ because the inside gets less total solar energy. Simple cooling with a fan works well and blinds are another cheap solution. But smart windows are a great passive tool. And also you have a warmer space in winter.
Do you have data about ‘most materials’ reflecting visible light more than other wavelengths? It sounds a bit arbitrary to me.
 
n124122 said:
As far as I know, most materials reflect visible light better than (uv and) infrared light, except from metals and specially designed reflectors.
You might wan to look at remote sensing.
For example
https://seos-project.eu/remotesensing/remotesensing-c01-p06.html

It's a way to determine the rock surface composition of Mars without testing a physical sample from satelite.

Anyways, have a look.
 

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