Does matter warp space time in the form of minimal surfaces?

In summary, the conversation discussed the concept of geodesics and minimal surfaces in relation to General Relativity. However, it was noted that the notion of minimality is not well-defined in the context of GR due to the absence of a precise way to perform variational calculus on the surface. Additionally, the mean curvature, which is a property dependent on the embedding of the surface in a higher-dimensional space, is not relevant in GR as the only properties that matter are the intrinsic, metric-dependent ones.
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Hello guys. Is this even a valid question? Just curious.

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Well, a geodesic is an extremal (minimal or maximal) path between two events.
 
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The question is not precisely posed. The equations that govern the curvature are got by varying the metric components as dynamical variables in an action that comprises the integral of the curvature scalar ( which is a function of the metric and its derivatives).

In 4-D space-time one can define 3D and 2D 'slices' which may have interesting properties, but I don't know if these properties can be varied to give the correct field equations.
 
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Ok thanks for replying. I somehow recall seeing something about this. As you guys know, Quantum Mechanics is based in the space of complex analytic functions and mimimal surfaces are described by the same sort of functions and I was wondering if this common link of complex analytic functions connect the very small and very large. I'm not however familiar with General Relativity and do now know how such functions participate in the general theory. Might some of you comment further about this connection?
 
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As I understand it, a "minimal surface" is a surface that minimizes surface area subject to boundary constraints. In order for this notion to be well-defined, one needs (1) a boundary, and (2) a precise way of performing variational calculus on the surface in order to extremize the surface area functional. Both of these conditions are absent in the context of general relativity. In fact, spaces that possesses property (1), i.e., have a "boundary" in some sense, often appear in general relativity, but only as incomplete sections of larger manifolds. More precisely, if paths on the manifold "end" at finite values of their parameters, then the space is said to be geodesically incomplete, and great effort is invested in finding new coordinate systems that fix this problem.

The second condition is a bit more subtle. Without going into details, it can be shown that if (2) is satisfied, then the condition for minimality is that the mean curvature identically vanish. Depending on your familiarity with surface theory, you may or may not know that the mean curvature is also referred to as the "extrinsic" curvature (as opposed to the Gaussian, or "intrinsic," curvature), because it is dependent on the particular embedding chosen (rather than depending entirely on the metric structure of the surface, which is what "intrinsic" means). In other words, two surfaces that are isometric (i.e., there exists a smooth map between them that preserves the lengths of curves) need not have the same mean curvature. In GR, the spaces of interest are completely devoid of any embedding in some higher-dimensional space; the only properties that matter are the intrinsic, metric-dependent ones. Thus, the statement that the mean curvature vanish identically is completely meaningless in GR. This is not to say that spacetime manifolds can't be embedded in some higher-dimensional manifold (there is a theorem that states that it is always possible to embed an n-dimensional manifold in 2n-dimensional Euclidean space), but rather that GR does not specify a way to do this, so Einstein's equations have nothing to say about the extrinsic curvature of spacetime with respect to any particular embedding you might choose.
 

1. What is the concept of matter warping space time?

The concept of matter warping space time is based on Einstein's theory of general relativity. According to this theory, matter and energy can affect the curvature of space and time, creating a warping effect. This means that objects with mass, such as planets or stars, can bend the fabric of space-time, causing other objects to follow curved paths around them.

2. How does matter warp space time in the form of minimal surfaces?

In general relativity, the warping of space-time is described by the equations of Einstein's field equations. These equations show that matter and energy can create a distortion in the geometry of space-time, which can be visualized as a rubber sheet being stretched and curved by the presence of a heavy object. The minimal surfaces in this context refer to the paths that objects follow in this warped space-time, which are the shortest possible paths between two points.

3. Can matter warp space time in more than one way?

Yes, matter can warp space-time in multiple ways. The extent of the warping depends on the mass and energy of the object, as well as its movement and direction. This means that different types of matter can create different warping effects on space-time, and the combination of multiple objects can create complex warping patterns.

4. Is the warping of space-time a proven concept?

Yes, the warping of space-time is a proven concept that has been supported by various experiments and observations. One of the most well-known examples is the bending of light around massive objects, such as stars, which was first observed during a solar eclipse in 1919. This phenomenon has been consistently observed and confirmed through subsequent experiments and observations.

5. What are the implications of matter warping space time in the form of minimal surfaces?

The implications of matter warping space-time in the form of minimal surfaces are far-reaching and have been utilized in various fields, such as astrophysics and cosmology. This concept has helped explain the gravitational effects of objects in the universe, from the movement of planets to the formation of galaxies. It also plays a crucial role in our understanding of the origin and evolution of the universe.

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