The discussion explores whether the universe becomes more or less complex over time, questioning its relation to thermodynamics. While the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets may suggest increased complexity, the underlying reality is that overall disorder, or entropy, is increasing. This perspective highlights that while localized order can occur, it often results in greater disorder elsewhere. The analogy of a dropped glass illustrates how adding order in one area leads to increased chaos in another. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes that the universe's trend is toward greater disorder despite appearances of complexity.