I Does small angle mean small angular velocity?

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The discussion centers on the small-angle approximation and its implications for angular velocity, specifically questioning why the term (sinθ·θ̇)² is considered fourth order in small θ. It is clarified that (sinθ·θ̇)² approximates to θ²·θ̇², which is indeed fourth order, but this does not imply that θ must equal θ̇. The participants emphasize that while both θ and θ̇ are small, they represent different dimensions and should not be equated. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding the context of small angles in Lagrangian mechanics, where the approximation affects the linearization of equations. Overall, the key takeaway is the distinction between the orders of terms and the conditions under which they are valid in the analysis.
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Why is the term ##(\sin\theta\,\dot{\theta})^2## fourth order in the small ##\theta##, as claimed by the sentence below (5.108)?

By small-angle approximation, ##(\sin\theta\,\dot{\theta})^2\approx\theta^2\,\dot{\theta}^2##.

For this to be fourth order, it seems like we must have ##\theta=\dot{\theta}##. Why is this true? What are the conditions for this to be true?

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Happiness said:
For this to be fourth order, it seems like we must have θ=˙θ\theta=\dot{\theta}. Why is this true?
why quantities of different dimension must be equal? They must not. David Morin wrote a good book but definitely not for high school
 
wrobel said:
why quantities of different dimension must be equal? They must not. David Morin wrote a good book but definitely not for high school

So is he right or wrong?
 
Happiness said:
So is he right or wrong?
My advice is that you should first think about your own understanding whether it is right or wrong.
 
wrobel said:
My advice is that you should first think about your own understanding whether it is right or wrong.

My understanding is that ##(\sin\theta\,\dot{\theta})^2## is second order in ##\theta##. But that would mean that it cannot be ignored, since (5.109) contains second-order terms.
 
The degree of the term ## \theta^2\dot \theta^2## is equal to 2+2=4. It is a degree of polynomial ##P(\theta,\dot \theta)= \theta^2\dot \theta^2##. Both quantities ## \theta,\dot \theta## are assumed to be small. The approximation of the Lagrangian up to the second order terms corresponds to linearization of the Lagrange equations in the vicinity of equilibrium
 
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Here it is important that θ is small, but the timescale is not. ##\dot \theta## is "something with θ divided by time", which is small of θ is small.
 

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