Does Temperature affect the coeffecient of friction?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between road surface temperature and tire friction. It confirms that temperature does affect friction, primarily through the microscopic changes in the materials involved. As temperature increases, both the road surface and tires can soften, potentially increasing friction due to the creation of greater surface irregularities. However, at lower temperatures, conditions such as water vapor condensation can decrease friction, leading to slippery surfaces. The conversation also touches on brake pads, noting that while they may expand with heat, they can produce a gas layer that reduces friction. Ultimately, the friction coefficient is influenced by various factors, including the materials of the tires and road surface, and the specific temperature conditions.
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I have a Question, and I'd appreciate it if someone could give me a definite answer:
Does The temperature of the road surface affect the friction between the tire and road surface?
 
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Sure, Is not this why the dragsters spin their tires before a race?
 
Yes, but that makes the rubber softer, doesn't it. See I'm trying to figure out if the road surface's temperature has anything to do with the friction between it and the tires. So are you saying that anything when is heated, the coeffecient of friction increases?
 
hotter road surface will mean hotter therefore softer tires. Friction requires 2 materials, how do you separate the effects?
 
Suppose the tires hadnt been on the road as yet, and The temperature of the road gets to 130 degrees (F). Now if the tires were to come into contact now with the road, would the coeffecient of friction be different than that if the road was 50 degrees? I'm just saying before the tires had time to soften.
 
the teason temp affects friction is a 'microscopic' one. When you increase the temperature of most common solids (ie. rubber, pavement) The solids expand, creationg greater 'gorges' or bough bumps on the surface, causing more friction. If it is cold outside, there microscopic 'gorges' attract, and the surface begins to lose friction.
 
Thanks that helps.. so one more question, would there be any difference in friction in a temperature change, say from 40 degrees fahrenheit to 140?
 
Nenad said:
the teason temp affects friction is a 'microscopic' one. When you increase the temperature of most common solids (ie. rubber, pavement) The solids expand, creationg greater 'gorges' or bough bumps on the surface, causing more friction. If it is cold outside, there microscopic 'gorges' attract, and the surface begins to lose friction.

That makes sense, but I thought that hot brake pads have less friction because they are expanded from normal.
 
JBeans said:
Thanks that helps.. so one more question, would there be any difference in friction in a temperature change, say from 40 degrees fahrenheit to 140?

There are a lot of factors involved. For example, at 40 degrees the water vapor in the atmosphere would condense slightly on the pavement, making the road much more slippery and low in friction. Depending on the day, the water might mix with settled dust on the road, making a small layer of "mud" (I don't think you would see it very well), and in this case you would have "hydroplaining" going on, which is very bad because it causes there to be very little friction. When it gets hot to 140, then the pavement would expand and I guess increase in friction, at least that's what would make sense.
 
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ArmoSkater87 said:
That makes sense, but I thought that hot brake pads have less friction because they are expanded from normal.

Hot brake pads have less friction mostly due to a layer of gas that is created when the pads vaporize. This thin layer of gas acts as a lubricator. Most performance disc's have holes or slots cut through them to release the gas and help cool the disk.
 
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JBeans said:
Suppose the tires hadnt been on the road as yet, and The temperature of the road gets to 130 degrees (F). Now if the tires were to come into contact now with the road, would the coeffecient of friction be different than that if the road was 50 degrees? I'm just saying before the tires had time to soften.
Asphalt also softens with temperature... Though, cement does not.

So, the answer to your initial question is: depends on the material.

And then there's viscous friction...
 

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