Does the Moment of Inertia Change with Position?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of moment of inertia, particularly in relation to the orientation of an ice cream stick and its susceptibility to breaking. Participants explore whether the moment of inertia changes with position and the implications for both rotational and non-rotational motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the moment of inertia changes with position, as it depends on the distance from the center of mass.
  • Another participant clarifies that moment of inertia is a second order tensor and depends on both the direction of rotation and the orientation of the object.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding the distinction between "mass moment of inertia" and "second moment of area," emphasizing that the latter is more relevant for bending stresses in materials.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between bending stress and the second moment of area, noting that the orientation of the stick affects its ability to withstand bending forces.
  • There is a critique of the terminology used, pointing out that the term "moment of inertia" can be confusing when applied to different contexts, such as bending versus rotational motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of moment of inertia in relation to breaking the stick, with some focusing on the mathematical definitions while others emphasize practical applications and material properties. No consensus is reached on the overall impact of orientation on moment of inertia.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved distinctions between different types of moments of inertia and their applications, as well as potential confusion arising from terminology that overlaps in different contexts.

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I had a discussion with my friend. He took an icecream stick and told me that if the stick was held horizontally the stick would break easily but if you held the stick vertically it would be difficult to break the stick. He said that vertically the moment of inertia is more. My question is that, does moment of inertia change if the position is changed? I think yes since r is the distance from centre of mass. Also can we use the term moment of inertia for non rotational motion?.
 
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The moment of inertia depends on two directions, the direction you are trying to rotate something and the direction the something is oriented. (In more mathematical language, the moment of inertia is a second order tensor.)

That being said, the moment of inertia is not what is important for whether your stick breaks or not. The forces acting on it and the resulting internal stresses are what will determine this along with the stick's ability to cope with these stresses.
 
avito009 said:
I had a discussion with my friend. He took an icecream stick and told me that if the stick was held horizontally the stick would break easily but if you held the stick vertically it would be difficult to break the stick. He said that vertically the moment of inertia is more. My question is that, does moment of inertia change if the position is changed? I think yes since r is the distance from centre of mass. Also can we use the term moment of inertia for non rotational motion?.
There are two "moments of inertia" which are dealt with commonly. The one you are thinking of is actually the "mass moment of inertia", or the inertia in the formula T = Iα, which relates applied torque to angular acceleration.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mi.html

In strength of materials, the bending of beams and other elements uses a related concept, called the "second moment of area", and is more commonly if confusingly also referred to as the "moment of inertia" of the cross section of the beam. The second moment of area is proportional to the cube of the depth of the cross section, so that it is relatively easy to break an ice cream stick which is held flat and bending the ends, while it is much harder to break the same stick when held with the longer dimension in the vertical direction.

Bending stress σ = M*y / I

where

M is the bending moment
y is the distance from the neutral axis to the location where bending stress is computed
I is the second moment of area for the member cross section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_moment_of_area
 
SteamKing said:
if confusingly also referred to as the "moment of inertia" of the cross section of the beam
Yes. A shocking bit of sloppy description. And all because the equation takes the same Mathematical form. Tu tut; you Mechanical Engineers!
I thought you had gone far enough with your male and female connectors and bastard files.
 

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