Does This Equation Hold in All Commutative Rings?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of the equation ##(a^3+x)(b^2-y)=a^3(b^2)-ya^3+xb^2-xy## in various mathematical contexts, particularly focusing on commutative rings and the nature of identities in algebra. Participants explore whether this equation holds true for different types of numbers and mathematical structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the equation is correct for all whole numbers, integers, rationals, reals, and even complex numbers.
  • Others argue that the equation is a special kind of identity that holds true across various mathematical structures, including square matrices, provided they are of the same size.
  • A participant suggests that the equation could be expressed more accurately by respecting the non-commutative nature of certain mathematical structures, proposing a different formulation.
  • Another participant points out that the equation's representation may lead to confusion regarding the order of multiplication, especially in non-commutative contexts.
  • One participant highlights that the general binomial expansion assumes commutativity, suggesting that the original equation is valid specifically within commutative rings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equation's validity across various mathematical contexts, with some asserting its universal truth and others emphasizing the importance of commutativity and the potential inaccuracies in its representation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best formulation and the contexts in which the equation holds.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equation's validity may depend on the definitions of the mathematical structures involved and the assumptions regarding commutativity. There are unresolved concerns about the implications of non-commutative multiplication in the equation's representation.

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##(a^3+x)(b^2-y)=a^3(b^2)-ya^3+xb^2-xy##
##(a^3+x)(b^2-y)=a^3(b^2)-ya^3+xb^2-xy##

is this correct for all whole numbers x,y,a,b?
 
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Yes. Even for rational or real numbers.
 
donglepuss said:
is this correct for all whole numbers x,y,a,b?
##(a^3+x)(b^2-y)=a^3(b^2)-ya^3+xb^2-xy##
This equation is a special kind of equation: an identity, one that is true for all values of the variables, whether whole numbers, integers, rationals, reals, or complex numbers. It's even true for square matrices, as long as they are all the same size.

A simpler example of an identity is this: ##a(b + c) = ab + ac##, which is true for any mathematical structures that support multiplication distributing over addition.
 
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Your equation isn't written in its best form. If you compare @Mark44's formula with what you have written, then
donglepuss said:
##(a^3+x)(b^2-y)=a^3(b^2)-ya^3+xb^2-xy##
is a bit inaccurate. There are structures in mathematics which are in general not commutative, rings and algebras. So it is a good habit to learn it by respecting left and right, so it's better to write
##(a^3+x)(b^2-y)=a^3b^2-a^3y+xb^2-xy##
 
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fresh_42 said:
is a bit inaccurate.
I didn't notice that ##a^3## times ##-y## was written as ##-ya^3##, when I mentioned matrix multiplication, which isn't generally commutative.
 
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Notice how the general binomial ##(a+b)^n = \Sigma _{i=0}^n (nCi )x^n y^i ## ; ##nCi## := " n choose i" also assumes commutativity. I think the OP and this identity hold for all commutative rings.
 

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