Doppler effect and multiple independant sound sources.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect, particularly in the context of sound waves emitted from multiple independent sources. Participants explore whether a stationary observer would perceive the Doppler effect when sound is generated from a series of speakers simulating the motion of a vehicle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where a stationary observer hears a sound source moving towards and then away from them, suggesting that this is a fundamental understanding of the Doppler effect.
  • Another participant argues that the Doppler effect requires either the source or the observer to be in motion, questioning the validity of the initial scenario with stationary speakers.
  • Some participants discuss potential interference effects between the sounds emitted by the multiple sources and clarify the nature of the sound emissions (whether they are continuous or pulsed).
  • There is a request for references regarding the relationship between the motion of the source and the Doppler effect, indicating a desire for further validation of claims made during the discussion.
  • One participant concludes that without relative movement between the sound source and the observer, no Doppler effect would be experienced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of motion for the Doppler effect to occur, with some asserting that it is essential while others explore the implications of stationary sound sources. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific scenario presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the nature of sound emissions (pulsed vs. continuous) and the potential for interference effects, which may complicate the understanding of the Doppler effect in this context.

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If I am stationary and a sound source moves towards me at a constant velocity, I will hear it (the sound) increase in frequency until it is adjacent to me and then as it moves away from me, I will hear a decreasing frequency.

Fundamental stuff right? It works with radio waves and light which is how we can look for red shifted and blue shifted galaxies and make assumptions about their heading.

But, and this is my question... let's say in my example above, the sound source was a car traveling at 50km/h with the driver leaning on his horn for the whole time of observation and that being so, the source of sound is constant in frequency and although moving, the source remains the same as it travels linearly (ie the horn as the car moves towards, then away from me).

What if, I set up, say, 100 speakers with a sound frequency generator attached to each (at the same frequency of the car horn as a rather arbitrary decision) and laid them out in a line, say 1 metre apart.

Then, using a timer, I have them emit their sound (all emitting the exact same frequency), starting at one end and at such intervals as to simulate a vehicle moving at 50km/h.

If I were to then stand in the middle of this line of speakers, would I hear the Doppler effect as the sound "approaches" me, then "moves away" from me?

I had a reasonable argument in class about this today and would like some outside input.
 
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The Doppler effect is not related to sound moving towards and then away from you.
The source of the sound (or the observer) should move.

You may have some interference effects between the sounds emitted by your sources.
It is not clear if they emit a short pulse or they start at a given time and then emit continuously.
 
nasu said:
The Doppler effect is not related to sound moving towards and then away from you.
The source of the sound (or the observer) should move.

You may have some interference effects between the sounds emitted by your sources.
It is not clear if they emit a short pulse or they start at a given time and then emit continuously.

Yes, I understand about how the movement of the source of the sound compresses the sound (or energy) waves, and that was part of the animated discussion in class we had. I'm glad to hear that repeated. Do you have any reference to this fact?

In my example, each sound emitter emits a constant amplitude and frequency, but just for a moment. They don't turn on and stay on, they just emit for a moment.
 
Kerrin said:
Yes, I understand about how the movement of the source of the sound compresses the sound (or energy) waves, and that was part of the animated discussion in class we had. I'm glad to hear that repeated. Do you have any reference to this fact?
What fact? You mean Doppler effect being produced by the motion of the source or receiver?
Any textbook with a chapter on acoustics is a "reference". Or you would like to see some research paper?

Kerrin said:
In my example, each sound emitter emits a constant amplitude and frequency, but just for a moment. They don't turn on and stay on, they just emit for a moment.
Then you will receive pulses with the same frequency, separated by some time interval.
 
nasu said:
Then you will receive pulses with the same frequency, separated by some time interval.

That's what I thought.

That's pretty much answered my question.

If there is no relative movement between the source of the the sound (or energy, we were actually discussing radio waves from a DVOR air nav installation) and the receiver, then no Doppler effect is experienced by the receiver.
 

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