Double integral bounded by closed parametric curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the area under a function f[x,y] that is bounded by a closed parametric curve defined by x[t] and y[t]. Participants explore the applicability of double integrals and alternative methods for calculating the area when the boundary is given parametrically.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to find the area under f[x,y] when bounded by a closed parametric curve, expressing uncertainty about using double integrals in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that the area can be represented as a single integral, specifically ∫y dx or ∫y[t] x'[t] dt, indicating a misunderstanding of the initial question.
  • A clarification is made regarding the use of Green's theorem, proposing that the area can be computed using a path integral approach rather than a traditional double integral.
  • An example is provided using a circular parametric curve, illustrating the application of Green's theorem to compute the area, but it is noted that this is a path integral, not an area integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method for calculating the area under the curve, with some advocating for the use of Green's theorem and others questioning the applicability of double integrals. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the applicability of double integrals versus single integrals, and the discussion does not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in using Green's theorem for this specific case.

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how do i find the area under f[x,y] bounded by a closed parametric curve x[t],y[t]? it doesn't look like i can use a change of variables. it seems as though double integrals only with functions where the curve is given explicitly such as y[x] or x[y].
 
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Hi okkvlt! :smile:
okkvlt said:
how do i find the area under f[x,y] bounded by a closed parametric curve x[t],y[t]? it doesn't look like i can use a change of variables. it seems as though double integrals only with functions where the curve is given explicitly such as y[x] or x[y].

I don't understand … what double integral? :confused:

The area is a single integral … ∫y dx, or ∫y[t] x'[t] dt.
 
thats a typo i meant

how do i find the area under f[x,y] bounded by a closed parametric curve x[t],y[t]? it doesn't look like i can use a change of variables. it seems as though double integrals only work with functions where the curve is given explicitly such as y[x] or x[y].

what about when the boundary is given by a parametric curve?
 
Use Green's theorem:
\int P(x,y)dx+ Q(x,y)dy= \int\int \left(\frac{\partial Q}{\partial x}-\frac{\partial P}{\partial y}dxdy
Taking Q(x,y)= y so that \partial Q/\partial y= 1 and P(x,y)= 0 so that \partial P/\partial x= 0 and
Area= \int\int dxdy= \int y dx= \int y(t) (dx/dt)dt
just as tiny-tim said! But notice this is a path integral, not an integral over an area.

For example, if x= cos(t) and y= sin(t), with t going from 0 to 2\pi (this is a circle of radius 1 with center at (0,0)), (dx/dt) dt= -sin(t) dt and ydx= -sin^2(t) dt. The area is
\int_{t=0}^{2\pi} -sin^2(t)dt= -\frac{1}{2}\int_0^{2\pi}(1- cos(2t))dt
= (1/2)(2\pi)= \pi
 

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